Earn Points and SCs with Any Seat Award Flights

[Grooba]

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Yet using the points booking engine I can book NAN-BNE via SYD & MEL for 56000 all in, or 36000 points + $215, in return you get 6K of points back & 180SCs.

Is this confirmed by anyone yet, that the any seat awards actually do get you credited the relevant points/SC's ?

 

[samh004]

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Is this confirmed by anyone yet, that the any seat awards actually do get you credited the relevant points/SC's ?

Yes, see below for 2 examples.

After booking my flight on the 24th, I flew J to Melbourne and back on the weekend with any seat awards and had points and status credits posted to my account within a day of each flight.
The flights also have the usual tilda ~ present to indicate it will be recognised as one the Qantas sectors required to maintain status.
I ended up spending 40123 status credits for the return flight, including carbon credits, but received 2500 points back with a 1250 minumum points post for each direction. So overall flight cost was 37623 points for 80 status credits, which at 1 cent per point equates to $376 for 80 status credits, or approximately $4.70 per status credit, which isn't too bad.
I've noticed some better deals out there if you book flights where you hop via another city, so will be booking one of those soon and letting you know how it goes.

Flew SYD - MEL last night using ANY SEAT booking in J. I booked on 23/03 and I received No SC's OR Points. Flight shows up with nothing earned...... Should I chase this up with QANTAS?

The difference a day can make with the booking… but I think the T&C’s are on bossreggie’s side, so he will probably get his points and SC’s soon enough.

 

[medhead]

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I value my frequent flyer points at around 2.5 cents each, rather than the nominal 1 cent per point approach. Given this, I would consider the 80 SC cost $940 (37,623 x 2.5c) = $11.75 per SC.

It is hard to work out how to value the points. I assume that the original flight was SYD-MEL return. Sure you can use a nominal point value or 1 or 2.5 cents or whatever. But how much would it cost to buy that flight SYD-MEL return in J, I'd guess would be at least say $1050. So 2.5 cents per point is close but still you would be ahead (just) compared to paying cash. I want max SC and if I need to go somewhere then this points usage might be acceptable. A lot of the anyseat fares I've looked at are about 2000 points extra for buisiness compared to discount economy. That would suits me.

However, the points value questions bears some consideration.

 

[JohnK]

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However, the points value questions bears some consideration.

Some people do not care about QFF points as they have lots of them.

I could not waste ~150,000 QFF on 2 SYD-PER returns in business (even with the 320 SCs carrot dangled in front of me) when I could get a Oneworld award for 140,000 QFF points. I can get those 320 SCs for around $800 when I go on holidays in SE Asia and they are even cheaper if anyone goes on holiday in the USA.

 

[one9]

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Some people do not care about QFF points as they have lots of them.

I could not waste ~150,000 QFF on 2 SYD-PER returns in business (even with the 320 SCs carrot dangled in front of me) when I could get a Oneworld award for 140,000 QFF points. I can get those 320 SCs for around $800 when I go on holidays in SE Asia and they are even cheaper if anyone goes on holiday in the USA.

Just a quick question: Does Qantas enforce the minimum four eligible Qantas flights per year rule? Can status credits be earned completely on partner airlines?

 

[Mal]

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Does Qantas enforce the minimum four eligible Qantas flights per year rule? Can status credits be earned completely on partner airlines?

Yes they do enforce the rule.

 

[oz_mark]

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It's 4 segments on Qantas, Qantaslink and Jetstar. So you could do it all on Jetstar

 

[medhead]

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Some people do not care about QFF points as they have lots of them.

I could not waste ~150,000 QFF on 2 SYD-PER returns in business (even with the 320 SCs carrot dangled in front of me) when I could get a Oneworld award for 140,000 QFF points. I can get those 320 SCs for around $800 when I go on holidays in SE Asia and they are even cheaper if anyone goes on holiday in the USA.

I think I'm in your boat as well, 150000 points is a fair bit for me. But I am thinking of blowing 90000 of them on SYD-CNS-ADL in J that should get me to gold, for the *class CNS-NRT return.

 

[notzac]

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It's 4 segments on Qantas, Qantaslink and Jetstar. So you do it all on Jetstar

It's worth adding to that that JQ flights have to earn points to qualify as one of the four segments.

 

[serfty]

It's 4 segments on Qantas, Qantaslink and Jetstar. So you do it all on Jetstar

These segments need to be 'eligible'. Not all Jetstar anyseat bookings book into eligible classes. Be wary, you need 'jetflex' at least.

 

[medhead]

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Well I've looked into my SYD-BNE-CNS-ADL trip.

ASA = 93000 points or 76000+$250, classic award = 76000+$63, Paid fare = $3000 all in J.

my question is what happens if I cancel an anyseat award, has anyone done this? Just called QF and they said that the points get converted to a monetary value and held as a credit. I assume that my 93000 points aren't going to be converted to the $3000 of the cash fare (3cents per point). Maybe more at the 1.4 cents per point that the cash co-payment seems to be calculated at. They also claimed that ASA can't be cancelled online. Ohh and they tried to talk me out of and anyseat award as they are so expensive in points terms

The flights I want are flashing Hurry at me. SO I'd like to lock them in. It is really only a 20% chance I'd cancel, but I'd like to know what the consequences are if I cancel.

 

[Mal]

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my question is what happens if I cancel an anyseat award, has anyone done this? Just called QF and they said that the points get converted to a monetary value and held as a credit. I assume that my 93000 points aren't going to be converted to the $3000 of the cash fare (3cents per point). Maybe more at the 1.4 cents per point that the cash co-payment seems to be calculated at. They also claimed that ASA can't be cancelled online. Ohh and they tried to talk me out of and anyseat award as they are so expensive in points terms

There was a thread here recently where a person cancelled an Anyseat award and a Credit Voucher was issued. IIRC, the general consensus was that Qantas did it incorrectly and it should have been a points+cash refund. But I believe that was an International flight, not domestic.

Now for domestic J Anyseat Awards, the following is in the T&C's:

# Fare is fully refundable.
# Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award: If this is a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award and the itinerary has been partially flown, then a proportion of the money and points originally used to obtain the award will be refunded to the applicable Member. The proportion refunded will be the remaining ticket value as allocated by Qantas as a proportion of the original ticket value.

Clear? I thought so. :shock:

If it does end up being held as a credit voucher, The cash value may be as low as 0.8c / point - but the exact value is probably some kind of magic.

I'm also interested in other people's experiences with this... Although I'm not sure you'll find anyone who has done an ASR Domestic in J and had to cancel yet.

 

[medhead]

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There was a thread here recently where a person cancelled an Anyseat award and a Credit Voucher was issued. IIRC, the general consensus was that Qantas did it incorrectly and it should have been a points+cash refund. But I believe that was an International flight, not domestic.

Actually that is really helpful. I've now read the other thread and the T&C and it appears that this might be a Fare conditons issue. Note the T&C say:

15.6.1 A refund of an Any Seat Award will only be made in accordance with the applicable Fare Conditions and these Terms and Conditions, and the following provisions:

The fare conditions talk about a refund being made as a credit. But it appears that they fare conditions are the same ones used for cash fares. So a bit of a discrepancy between T&C and fare conditions.

 

[Mal]

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The fare conditions talk about a refund being made as a credit. But it appears that they fare conditions are the same ones used for cash fares. So a bit of a discrepancy between T&C and fare conditions.

The "T&C's" I quoted above were actually part of the fare conditions of a domestic J booking (using Anyseat). So it's interesting that you're seeing different. Perhaps I'll have to try and replicate your trip - unless the issue is that your booking is partially in a lower cabin than J, so the most restrictive fare conditions affect the whole booking. (Domestic does have some quirks vs international though, perhaps that is also affecting things.)

 

[medhead]

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The "T&C's" I quoted above were actually part of the fare conditions of a domestic J booking (using Anyseat). So it's interesting that you're seeing different. Perhaps I'll have to try and replicate your trip - unless the issue is that your booking is partially in a lower cabin than J, so the most restrictive fare conditions affect the whole booking. (Domestic does have some quirks vs international though, perhaps that is also affecting things.)

All in J according to the selections. I'm only going through to the review booking step and then following the link to the change fees. this brings up a summary table of all fare types, under business it refers to a credit, or something like "retain $"

I'll have to have a look at the full fare conditions. But the Section 15.6.1 of the T&C on the QF website, that I quoted, clearly has what you quoted, and also what was quoted in the other thread, as one of the provisions.

 

[Mal]

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All in J according to the selections. I'm only going through to the review booking step and then following the link to the change fees. this brings up a summary table of all fare types, under business it refers to a credit, or something like "retain $".

When I do the same, for a simple BNE-SYD-MEL, it points me to Bookings - Fare Types which I assume is the page you were looking at. It does have "Keep Value", but IMHO that just means that if you do a no-show, you are still able to cancel the fare and get your $ back.

Under "Fully Refundable Fare", the tick is shown, so IMHO this is a fully refundable fare.

Clicking on Business, (Bookings - Fare Types ), it shows

Cancellations (including no show)

* Fare is fully refundable.
* Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award: If this is a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award and the itinerary has been partially flown, then a proportion of the money and points originally used to obtain the award will be refunded to the applicable Member. The proportion refunded will be the remaining ticket value as allocated by Qantas as a proportion of the original ticket value.
* Any refund or credit is the Australian dollar price.

- ie what is posted above.

So my impression is that if you cancel the ticket before the first sector is flown, then you should get back your points and $. However - Looking at 15.6.1 of the T&C, this may get more complex.

If you've paid less than the $ cost of an "Assistance fee" (for having to cancel over the phone - if charged, should be $40 - although I don't think there is a fee charged for J tickets, but not 100% sure), then some magical calculation is performed:

(b) If a refund is requested prior to travel commencing, and the money paid to obtain the Any Seat Award is less than the cancellation fee (or refund fee) specified in the Fare Conditions, and the original Any Seat Award booking was not made on jetstar.com, then the refund of the Any Seat Award will be made by re-crediting only the Refundable Proportion of Points redeemed to the Member's account and refunding only the Refundable Proportion of the money paid to the Member's Accepted Payment Card.

This is better explained here:
Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Awards

If the Member requests a refund before travel has commenced and the money paid (if any) to obtain the Any Seat Award is less than the applicable cancellation fee as specified in the fare conditions, or the request is made after travel has commenced, then a proportion of the money and points originally used to obtain the Any Seat Award will be refunded to the applicable Member. The refund proportion will be the difference between the original ticket value (or remaining ticket value if the itinerary is partially flown) as allocated by Qantas and the applicable cancellation fee, as a proportion of the original ticket value.

Pretty complex... and made even more complex when Qantas Call Centre seems to be giving different information!

Anyway, like I mentioned earlier - I haven't had to cancel one of those fares, so I'm only going by my *interpretation* of how it is supposed to work, and what I would quite happily use to argue with Qantas if they decided to give me a credit voucher when cancelling before flying. It would be nice if someone has actually had to cancel one of these flights and can give their actual experience.

 

[markis10]

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My recent domestic any seat cancellation has resulted in a credit voucher rather than points return, it was a one way red e deal.

 

[Mal]

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My recent domestic any seat cancellation has resulted in a credit voucher rather than points return, it was a one way red e deal.

Not too surprising seeing it's how a cash fare booked the same way would be treated. Ie:

Ticket value can be used towards a new booking for travel anywhere on the Qantas network within 12 months of the date that the original ticket was issued. However, you cannot re-book and travel on the same day

and the T&C that says:

15.6.1 A refund of an Any Seat Award will only be made in accordance with the applicable Fare Conditions

Which I presume means that no refund of points/cash is applicable (which is different to the J fares discussed above which have full refundability).

Do you know the ¢/point calculation used?

 

[hasan27]

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Is this confirmed by anyone yet, that the any seat awards actually do get you credited the relevant points/SC's ?

Confirmed- it really is true!

05 APR 10 QF 077 ECONOMY 05APR10 PERTH/SINGAPORE (ANY SEAT AWARD FLIGHT) BOOKING REF X6QKR9 2,429 - - 2,429 25

05 APR 10 QF 775 ECONOMY 05APR10 MELBOURNE/PERTH (ANY SEAT AWARD FLIGHT) BOOKING REF X6QKR9 1,682 - - 1,682 20

 

[straitman]

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Confirmed- it really is true!

05 APR 10 QF 077 ECONOMY 05APR10 PERTH/SINGAPORE (ANY SEAT AWARD FLIGHT) BOOKING REF X6QKR9 2,429 - - 2,429 25

05 APR 10 QF 775 ECONOMY 05APR10 MELBOURNE/PERTH (ANY SEAT AWARD FLIGHT) BOOKING REF X6QKR9 1,682 - - 1,682 20

hasan27,

Good to hear it. How many points did each of these trips cost and consequently what was the value of the points :?: