General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Lynda2475]

National Cabinet recommendations are very weak one could call the timing pathetic really:

From ABC Blog:

All residential aged care workers must have at least one shot of vaccine by mid-September. The Commonwealth has signed off on an $11 million grant program to ensure facilities provide staff with leave to get vaccinated.

This would suggest AZ is being used, if so why not insist on first dose by end of July?

 

[clifford]

The risk is microscopic and many would happily take it up. I don’t see why you are so worked up about this discussion, unless you have shares in Pfizer (Jokes!)

Agree 100%. Why should politicians be preventing anyone from having a potentially lifesaving vaccination?

And why should anyone else be objecting?

 

[jase05]

Excellent stuff

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409450618406670339

 

[JessicaTam]

Excellent stuff

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409450618406670339

Well that's just negated the last five pages!

 

[clifford]

Well that's just negated the last five pages!

Well maybe Jessica, but it's just common sense!

 

[jase05]

Well that's just negated the last five pages!

Well, what are you waiting for?
Get the delete button warmed up

 

[Pushka]

Well that's just negated the last five pages!

Excellent outcome.

 

[Princess Fiona]

The option is already there now for anyone over 40.

For those under 40 well they have to wait til vaccinations open to their cohort then they can choose the slower higher risk vaccination path if they want to.

There are absolutely some of this thread that want ATAGI to lower the age for AZ and prevent those currently eligible for Pfizer from accessing it, forcing them onto AZ which conflicts with health advice here and in Western Europe (where covid cases are much higher).Their health advice is that there is no preference for any of the covid

Excellent stuff

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409450618406670339

I have no idea why there was any angst over this to start with ?

 

[jakeseven7]

Excellent outcome.

Hear hear.

About time they started cleaning their mess up!

This is great news - and common sense, give people the option.

Now to start unwinding all the scare campaigns which have been shown aged against this vaccine.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I have no idea why there was any angst over this to start with ?
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One word: media.

 

[jakeseven7]

One word: media.

Sadly yea and so many misinformed people that can’t be even a little proactive to seek the facts themselves... the media just scares the cough out of people, it’s relentless.

I was clear ATAGI had lost the plot (as a body) and all perspective.

Congrats to Prof Sutton and Dr Chant for all the back channeling, brilliant work around.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It will be a challenge to have medical practitioners actually administer the vaccine. I am sure many will not feel comfortable doing so which is understandable in some ways. No professional should be obligated to provide the vaccine - only obligation really is to provide fair, balanced and accurate information for the patient to decide.

Easy answer if you decide you would like to obtain an AZ vaccination after discussion with your GP who won't vaccinate you, is to simply shop around and fine someone will do it.

 

[jakeseven7]

Breaking: Under 60s can now get AstraZeneca: PM announces indemnity for GP’s to accelerate vaccine rollout​

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced anyone aged under 60 can receive the AstraZeneca vaccine if they choose.

“If they are willing to go and speak to their doctor and have access to the AstraZeneca vaccine, they can do so,” he said.

The new no-fault indemnity scheme announced tonight for general practitioners would provide protection for doctors administering the vaccine and choice for patients.

“So this relates to encouraging Australians to go and check to their GP about the vaccination. And to have their vaccination administered as soon as possible,” Mr Morrison said.

As it happened: NSW records 18 new local COVID-19 cases; masks mandatory in Queensland; Daniel Andrews returns as Victorian Premier

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has warned COVID-19 case numbers are likely to rise in coming days, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews is returns to work this morning and coronavirus restrictions are in place in WA and the NT.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Lynda2475]

Well that's just negated the last five pages

No it does not.

This outcome is not changing the recommendation, Pfizer is still what is recommended for younger people.

And whilst this ruling absolves GPs for allowing a decision against recommendations, it does nothing to guarantee the person choosing AZ any income protection insurance / life insurance policies will pay out in event of an adverse reaction that prevents you from working or kills you.

The AZ clot risk remains greater than the risk of a younger person getting seriously ill or dying from Covid in Australia.

 

[Must...Fly!]

The AZ risk remains greater than the risk of a younger person getting seriously ill or dying from Covid.

To the best of my understanding, that's not correct.

 

[mviy]

Easy answer if you decide you would like to obtain an AZ vaccination after discussion with your GP who won't vaccinate you, is to simply shop around and fine someone will do it.

If they are unwilling or have insufficient supply I may head to a vaccine hub and ask for it.

 

[clifford]

To the best of my understanding, that's not correct.

Absolutely that's the case. What are other people thinking?

 

[Comoman]

The AZ risk remains greater than the risk of a younger person getting seriously ill or dying from Covid.

Absolute and total rubbish.

 

[Princess Fiona]

No it does not.

This outcome is not changing the recommendation, Pfizer is still what is recommended for younger people.

And whilst this ruling absolves GPs for allowing a decision against recommendations, it does nothing to guarantee the person choosing AZ any income protection insurance / life insurance policies will pay out in event of an adverse reaction that prevents you from working or kills you.

The AZ risk remains greater than the risk of a younger person getting seriously ill or dying from Covid.

From ATAGI
“ATAGI acknowledges the difficulty in balancing the small risk of a clinically significant adverse event related to vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca against the need to protect individuals and the community against the ongoing threat of COVID-19, together with ongoing limitations and uncertainties about the supply of alternative COVID-19 vaccines. ATAGI emphasises that this advice is specific to the context that there is currently no or limited community transmission in most of Australia and would be different in other countries.”

No or limited community transmission.
That is rapidly changing and so will the anti-AZ bias that we are constantly subjected to.
It is time

 

[Lynda2475]

That is rapidly changing and so will the anti-AZ bias that we are constantly subjected to.

Under scenario 1 and 2 the chances of suffering TTS remain higher than ending up in ICU or dead for those under 50s.

The 40-49s can get Pfizer now, switching to AZ will not see them get fully vaccinated any faster than proceeding with Pfizer, so why take an unnecessary risk.? In all the Australian Covid 19 cases to date not a single woman under 50 has died from Covid-19 in Australia, unfortunately the same cant be said for AZ induced TTS.

Scenario 3 becoming a reality here is questionable, since Europe had more open international borders and many fewer restrictions. Id be happy to take a bet we don't get to those infection numbers due to the restrictions in place and the propensity of premiers to slam borders shut.

Under the current actual numbers Pfizer remains the better choice for under 50s,