General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Princess Fiona]

In all the Australian Covid 19 cases to date not a single woman under 50 has died from Covid-19 in Australia, unfortunately the same cant be said for AZ induced TTS.

5 people under 50 have died from COVID-19
20 people under 60 have died from COVID-19 of whom 5 of them were women.
Out of a total of 30,528 cases

2 people have died of TTS from of a total of 4.2 million AZ doses

 

[mviy]

And hospitals have learnt how to better treat TTS from AZ where it occurs, so the chances of dying from it would be even lower than the past numbers would suggest.

 

[Lynda2475]

Your stats don't disprove what I posted.

5 people under 50 have died from COVID-19

Note all 5 were men, so my statement that no women under 50 have died from Covid remains true vs 1 in this age group who did die from AZ induced TTS.

20 people under 60 have died from COVID-19 of whom 5 of them were women.

All women in this statistic were aged 50 -59, again not a cohort I mentioned.

2 people have died of TTS from of a total of 4.2 million AZ doses

Well to be fair you need to measure the real risk as: 1 death / number of 40-49s who had a AZ dose and 1 death / number of 50-59s who had a AZ dose. Somewhat unfair to compare decades for covid deaths, but totals for AZ induced TTS deaths.

And hospitals have learnt how to better treat TTS from AZ where it occurs, so the chances of dying from it would be even lower than the past numbers would suggest.

Only if the person recognizes the symptoms and gets to hospital for treatment. Unfortunately not all GPs are giving AZ recipients a data sheet on what to look for.

 

[drron]

And here is what that wonderful company Pfizer has done. And Moderna has followed.Imagine how affordable that makes them for poorer countries.

Pfizer hikes cost of Covid vaccine for EU by 60 per cent - City AM

Pfizer has hiked the cost of future orders of its coronavirus vaccine placed by the European Commission more than 60 per cent. Bulgarian Prime Minister Bokyo Borissov this morning said the US pharmaceutical giant has increased the cost of future orders sold to the EU from €12 per dose to €19.50...

www.cityam.com

 

[mviy]

And here is what that wonderful company Pfizer has done. And Moderna has followed.Imagine how affordable that makes them for poorer countries.

Pfizer hikes cost of Covid vaccine for EU by 60 per cent - City AM

Pfizer has hiked the cost of future orders of its coronavirus vaccine placed by the European Commission more than 60 per cent. Bulgarian Prime Minister Bokyo Borissov this morning said the US pharmaceutical giant has increased the cost of future orders sold to the EU from €12 per dose to €19.50...

www.cityam.com

Who can blame them when the EU sues AZ even though AZ has been taking a philanthropic approach with its vaccine, not doing it because they have to or to make bumper profits, but to benefit the worldwide community.

 

[drron]

And another causing problems with vaccine rollouts this time in the USA.Here's hoping he retires.

Bills' Cole Beasley Says He'd Retire Before Being Forced to Take Coronavirus Vaccine

Buffalo Bills wide receiver Cole Beasley has affirmed that he would rather give up football than be forced to take the coronavirus vaccine.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Seat0B]

From ATAGI
“ATAGI acknowledges the difficulty in balancing the small risk of a clinically significant adverse event related to vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca against the need to protect individuals and the community against the ongoing threat of COVID-19, together with ongoing limitations and uncertainties about the supply of alternative COVID-19 vaccines. ATAGI emphasises that this advice is specific to the context that there is currently no or limited community transmission in most of Australia and would be different in other countries.”

No or limited community transmission.
That is rapidly changing and so will the anti-AZ bias that we are constantly subjected to.
It is time

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Thank you @Princess Fiona for providing this information. It’s really useful to have some stats to consider. I don’t know why this sort of info is regarded as “top secret” and not made more readily available to the general public.

 

[RAM]

Does this happen elsewhere now? This reset hasn't been reported in past NSW clusters.

You are of course also assuming these workers live with other people and didn't choose to iso in HQ.

I understand your thinking, but given the hit rate from the party, you'd really expect to go positive before day 14.

For those with no vaccinations = Yes.

For those partially vaccinated or fully vaccinated = not necessarily.

Given the reports from different countries' experience to date with this second Indian variant (Delta) - the possibility of becoming infected despite being fully vaccinated is not zero. If partially (1 shot out of 2) vaccinated and depending on the elapsed time then the possibility of becoming infected is higher (especially if the South African data has any validity for AZ). This could provide valuable information on just how effective whatever vaccines the 6 people, from the Hoxton Park birthday party, have received. Ideally some would have received Pfizer and some AZ.

Given it has been emphasized repeatedly, in the last week or so at the NSW media conferences, that they expect the numbers to grow substantially as Delta achieves 100% transmission within households (shooting fish in a barrel) - that suggests that most people have not (been given the option?) moved to the 'high risk' hotels specifically for arrivals who have tested positive for CV.

All of these conferences up until Friday had also been pushing the line that NSW contact tracing had everything in hand so the increase in expected cases was to come near solely from household contacts of existing cases or close contacts already in isolation.

If as feared, this variant does regularly achieve 100% transmission within households then that changes the rules used within Australia so far in handling community transmission. Separate quarantine facilities (like in Darwin) would be the highest probability positive solution given the paucity of negative pressure rooms across the NSW hospital system.

When Melbourne was under pressure in July/August last year - it was found that the largest proportion of hospital acquire CV while in hospital for other reasons (& tested negative prior to entry) occured. Total cases as of the date of the report tallied 277 people who caught CV while in hospital.

The report found the main risks of spreading COVID-19 in hospitals were shared rooms, limited ventilation, unrecognised infections, patient transfers and "high-risk" behaviours including "wandering".

 

[Princess Fiona]

Your stats don't disprove what I posted.



Note all 5 were men, so my statement that no women under 50 have died from Covid remains true vs 1 in this age group who did die from AZ induced TTS.



All women in this statistic were aged 50 -59, again not a cohort I mentioned.



Well to be fair you need to measure the real risk as: 1 death / number of 40-49s who had a AZ dose and 1 death / number of 50-59s who had a AZ dose. Somewhat unfair to compare decades for covid deaths, but totals for AZ induced TTS deaths.



Only if the person recognizes the symptoms and gets to hospital for treatment. Unfortunately not all GPs are giving AZ recipients a data sheet on what to look for.

I’m not trying to “disprove” what you have posted.
It’s abundantly clear that you have zero confidence in the AZ vaccine and you cherry-pick data eg. in regards to women under 50 to validate your view point.
And that’s ok, I’m not expecting you to change your mind.

The fact is that the AZ vaccine is one of the TGA approved vaccines for everyone over the age of 18 who is appropriately consented by their GP/Health provider and I encourage everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated.

 

[oz_mark]

Thank you @Princess Fiona for providing this information. It’s really useful to have some stats to consider. I don’t know why this sort of info is regarded as “top secret” and not made more readily available to the general public.

It's published on the Health website, so not really much of a secret.

COVID-19 vaccination – Weighing up the potential benefits against risk of harm from COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

Information about the AstraZeneca vaccine to help patients make informed decisions.

www.health.gov.au

 

[RAM]

Who can blame them when the EU sues AZ even though AZ has been taking a philanthropic approach with its vaccine, not doing it because they have to or to make bumper profits, but to benefit the worldwide community.

A while back Pfizer/BioNtech stated they would supply developing countries with their vaccine at cost.

Hopefully they do not calculate cost in a similar manner to Q.

 

[Lynda2475]

I encourage everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated

As do I, I just happen to believe there are better choices than AZ for most Australians

 

[mviy]

Well for many of us it's still AZ or nothing for a while yet and one jab provides much better protection than no jab. I can now get AZ probably this week, but Pfizer I'd probably have to wait a few months to get, I guess.

 

[Pushka]

Thank you @Princess Fiona for providing this information. It’s really useful to have some stats to consider. I don’t know why this sort of info is regarded as “top secret” and not made more readily available to the general public.

Maybe they do but as our source is the Media then likely it's just not worthy of their sensationalist headlines.

 

[jakeseven7]

Well for many of us it's still AZ or nothing for a while yet and one jab provides much better protection than no jab. I can now get AZ probably this week, but Pfizer I'd probably have to wait a few months to get, I guess.

Well I wouldn’t wait if I was you - one of our large clinics in Melbourne that opened an hour ago had 250 people call up to book AZ appointments already....! Incredible.... they said a lot of young people were booking in and it’s whipping around social media.

I really hope this continues though - the scare campaign waged for months will probably have the older, less informed still worried. But even if it gets a few hundred thousand done early - that’s brilliant. If this spike in demand continues they will need to get more AZ out there too.

God, even just one more person jabbed to help get us out of this limbo we all live, protect a few more people just a bit faster would be fantastic.

 

[jakeseven7]

I’m not trying to “disprove” what you have posted.
It’s abundantly clear that you have zero confidence in the AZ vaccine and you cherry-pick data eg. in regards to women under 50 to validate your view point.
And that’s ok, I’m not expecting you to change your mind.

The fact is that the AZ vaccine is one of the TGA approved vaccines for everyone over the age of 18 who is appropriately consented by their GP/Health provider and I encourage everyone who is eligible to get vaccinated.

Slight add on to your last sentence!

.... get vaccinated as soon as possible!

 

[Pushka]

If I see my AZ recalcitrant 65+ neighbour today I will mention to her that niece and DIL in their thirties, both being well educated in the medical area, (one a GP and the other a PhD in medical research) have now just completed their AZ vaccinations. And that many of their peer group will now make their bookings.

 

[Princess Fiona]

A very moving moment at Wimbledon Centre Court. Dame Sarah Gilbert gets a standing ovation.
She is the Oxford scientist who developed the AZ vaccine. Wimbledon

 

[OZDUCK]

(This may have been mentioned elsewhere but I can't see it.)

Some good news about the long term effects of the mRNA vaccines in that they seem to be capable of being efective over a longer period than previously theorised. Plus it seems likely that a 3rd shot of AZ is also very effective.

The important quotes are "Three scientific studies released on Monday offered fresh evidence that widely used vaccines will continue to protect people against the coronavirus for long periods, possibly for years, and can be adapted to fortify the immune system still further if needed." and "Most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, one study found, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed. Mix-and-match vaccination shows promise, a second study found, and booster shots of one widely used vaccine, if they are required, greatly enhance immunity, according to a third report."

Three Studies, One Result: Vaccines Point the Way Out of the Pandemic

 

[Pushka]

Expediency or Sensible?
"Experts are urging the government to bring forward the second dose of the AstraZeneca jab from 12 weeks to eight as authorities scramble to contain the nationwide Covid-19 outbreak totalling 130 cases.

It comes after doctors warned of an oversupply of the AstraZeneca jab, some of which is approaching its used-by date."