Has Climate Change "reporting" reached "End Game'?

[juddles]

Oh dear. We don't agree, but maybe you can contribute your perspective on the reporting of global warming?

I suspect that would never happen, as they would then have to defend their views amongst an educated crowd...

 

[juddles]

Of all my geological friends and colleagues, not a single one has swallowed the 'climate emergency' / catastophist BS.

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RooFlyer, an interesting comment.

I am not a geo, but I must also say that in my sphere, there is a distinct divide ( I am not specifically for or against the notion of human-expedited climate change).

Those against this religion (and again not necessarily against the concept of human influenced change) argue with reasons, and focus on the effects of the blind focus on this one thing. Those who have adopted the religion seem to have very shallow arguments, with a distinct desire to not get tied down to any true debate.

With my devout devotion to simply good science, no matter what the outcome is, this just constantly reinforces to me that no matter what the truth is, it has been lost so many years ago....

The only real certainty I have is that today the average scientist can get funding to support the religion,, but risks myriad attacks and no funding if they go against the flow.

When was the last scientific paper that went against the religion given positive coverage in the media? Can't remember this happening... This is wrong. I have heard so many times that the "science is settled" etc. No, it has not been. True science allows (and needs) all sides of a given topic to have equal and free press.

A further comment (or perhaps cry into the night) is a recent news article about some rich person that just built an "eco-friendly" holiday house in some remote coastal area of Victoria. Yes, it has solar power. And it also cost several million dollars to build. Guess what all you eco-hypocrites, those millions would have all gone to paying for intensely-costly structure and features. The cost (in carbon if you want to value it that way) to build such a getaway is obscene. The owner even boasted that they had to bring in 200 truck-loads of gravel (to a remote area) so that the couple of trucks bringing in the fancy components could get in....

But at the end of the day the owner can continue with their boasts and false "feel-good" design of an eco-friendly" palace. Someone who builds a 330m2 weekender...

OMG.

But below all the media hype about the eco side, there is, as is usual, a different side to this, and one that I do truly like. This person is sufficiently rich that they built on a block of hundreds of hectares. They say that they will keep the natural landscape and flora/fauna intact - effectively a private national park. This i REALLY REALLY agree with. IMHO this is what is the true value of the overall endevour.

Private wealth securing that land is protected, this does it for me. But the media just focused on the eco value of the expensive house.....

 

[sjk]

an educated crowd...

Seems to me that your side of the religion, or your particular cult, or whatever term you prefer, has been getting approximately the level of engagement it warrants (i.e. pretty much none). Amusing though it is to watch you all keep setting up straw men, it’s been pretty clear for a while now what you all believe, so perhaps best to just let you all keep hashing it out amongst yourselves in the AFF safe space you’ve created, far away from potentially ‘vicious’ contrary views.

 

[juddles]

.....Amusing though it is to watch you ...

Thank you - so we are now "even" ?

 

[tgh]

safe space you’ve created, far away from potentially ‘vicious’ contrary views.

I would be much happier educating than proselytising, but the climate change issue is so completely polarised it will not happen.

Summary : reason never turned back a lemming from it's fate

 

[RooFlyer]

Thank you - so we are now "even" ?

Its all they've got juddles. Like with the other chap, you invite them to participate in a debate, and the've gone.

 

[drron]

sjk I invite you to give some facts to support your acceptance of the theory.
Obviously you are not aware they have been 350 peer reviewed scientific papers since 2017 that present the case that the CO2 theory is wrong.
How many of those have been reported by the MSM?

 

[get me outta here]

Was there a "debate", what on here?

Its all they've got juddles. Like with the other chap, you invite them to participate in a debate, and the've gone.

 

[get me outta here]

I am reminded of a movie about all the ultra rich wrecker buggers having wrecked this planet one way or another, plan to take off in a rocket off to wherever it was and leave their mess behind. The movie was based on the book of the same name, 'Stark'. It was short for 'Star Ark'. It was very amusing, written by Ben Elton.

We are all living in a great big ponzi scheme. "Growth Growth Growth"- eventually we will all need another planet.

 

[RooFlyer]

Was there a "debate", what on here?

Its been invited as an alternative to the name-calling and other stuff. Whether anyone takes it up is a matter for them (and if they have anything to offer other than name calling etc).

Meanwhile, we have a very later entry for Twit of the Year:

John Barilaro ‘fizzer’ as Sydney’s New Year’s fireworks get go-ahead

NSW deputy premier, while holidaying in London, calls for the Sydney NYE fireworks to be cancelled. Local fire authorities give it the go-ahead.

NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro’s call from London for Sydney’s New Year’s Eve fireworks to be cancelled has backfired, with the event to go ahead and his own colleagues branding him a hypocrite for making the remark while on holiday overseas.
The NSW Rural Fire Service granted an approval late on Monday to the City of Sydney Council to hold its Sydney Harbour fireworks display, ending several days of angst for spectators and businesses over whether the event would proceed.

Twitter is simply the best thing for people to out themselves as, well, best not say

 

[RooFlyer]

I am reminded of a movie about all the ultra rich wrecker buggers having wrecked this planet one way or another, plan to take off in a rocket off to wherever it was and leave their mess behind. The movie was based on the book of the same name, 'Stark'. It was short for 'Star Ark'. It was very amusing, written by Ben Elton.

Which in turn reminds me of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe, where they send the telephone sanitisers etc ahead to colonise a new planet. The rest of them somehow fail to arrive.

 

[get me outta here]

There are not many pages to go back through to see the name calling, and as you have pointed out, there is no alternative apparently as it is only name calling when those that are deemed to have a possibly different angle to the coterie try to add something.
It is just an excuse to come up with more of what you want to argue. 'My profession is the only one capable'; 'My graphs are better than your graphs'; 'the only way up is coal'; 'farmers have no idea'; etc etc etc etc.

Its been invited as an alternative to the name-calling and other stuff. Whether anyone takes it up is a matter for them (and if they have anything to offer other than name calling etc).

Meanwhile, we have a very later entry for Twit of the Year:

John Barilaro ‘fizzer’ as Sydney’s New Year’s fireworks get go-ahead



Twitter is simply the best thing for people to out themselves as, well, best not say

 

[tgh]

Some of us think that the climate hype is a tad silly and guess I am guilty of trivialising the subject matter with my lemming-nising comments in search of response.
I apologise to those offended.

I hear the sound of silence from many who believe in the generic global warming story, but find it all a bit disappointing.
Powerful arguments for or against climate change action should be debated and tested , here and everywhere ; it's too serious a subject for blind faith.

I think I have had my say here as my personal position remains unchanged :
Planet raping cough Sapiens is the real problem and I opine that more substantial challenges than an ever changing climate will soon appear to challenge
both the longevity and perhaps the very existence of the Imperial Animal.

Herewith endeth the sermon… Ciao

 

[drron]

Of course even Greta was upstaged in 1992 at the UN by a 12 year old.

Online Speech Bank: Severn Suzuki - Speech at 1992 UN Conference on the Environment (transcript-audio-video)

Transcript and audio and video of Severn Suzuki UN Brazil Speech

www.americanrhetoric.com

 

[get me outta here]

It’s not a debate when it seems to be nothing short of world inculcation to the coterie’s view will be enough. If that agreement is not forth coming, there’s the 8 year old’s refrain of, “stop picking me”, said with a sullen whiny expression in face and voice. Carry on liking each other’s posts.

Au biento

Its been invited as an alternative to the name-calling and other stuff. Whether anyone takes it up is a matter for them (and if they have anything to offer other than name calling etc).

 

[amaroo]

The green machine is trying to neuter the autobahn in the name of climate protection.

German coalition cracks over autobahn speed limit – DW – 12/26/2019

Angela Merkel's coalition government showed another fault line over the Christmas holiday: her conservative transport minister petulantly dismissed Social Democrat calls for an autobahn speed limit.

www.dw.com

 

[RooFlyer]

<snip> the 8 year old’s refrain of, “stop picking me”, said with a sullen whiny expression in face and voice. Carry on liking each other’s posts.

I think you just demonstrated my point perfectly. QED.

Feel free to return and contest the ideas.

 

[Quickstatus]

Did anyone pay to carbon offset their flights in 2019?

I can understand where Barilaro is coming from. Im agnostic about this years NYE FW.

Unfortunately, there are 2 classes of NSW citizens. Sydney and the rest of NSW. For the FW organisers to say they will light up a banner to ask for RFS donations during the fireworks that the whole world can see is just tasteless.

 

[get me outta here]

Thanks, but I gave up being inculcated when I was a kid and learned to not buy into world domination. I learned to think for myself and be tolerant to others, and not to bully or be bullied. I am amused at this not as sullen as the name callers.
PS, keep on liking each others posts.

I think you just demonstrated my point perfectly. QED.

Feel free to return and contest the ideas.

 

[drron]

Why did Henry Lawson write this poem in 1913.