Have your say with the QFF CEO over lunch at Rockpool Bar and Grill...

[markis10]

If QF will fly you to the function, points and SC's will be earned, most probably Red eDeals though...

QF flights that are prizes don't accrue mileage/SCs.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Totally OT but regarding the competition it's clearly a 'game of skill' therefore no permits. Prize pool is not a factor.

yes, my bad... I thiught the original invite said the best may be invited to lunch... but it says you will be invited. prize pool only a factor if game of chance.

 

[thewinchester]

nice gesture from qf... but personally I would have liked to have seen the questions answered here on AFF.

unscripted and no spin? but the questions have to be submitted in advance....
<snip>

finally, I have to admit the first thing I thought of when I read this was 'is this a competition'? (trade promotion lottery) is the total value of the prize pool over $5000? does this require state permits? (I don't know... asking )

I concur with pauly7's comments on both points.

On event format: It's important that the executives attending have a good idea of the mood and burning issues before they attend. That allows them to come prepared with relevant information, data and even other relevant employees to ensure they can be addressed.

I would also posit that QF won't have a problem with information discussed that isn't subject to commercial-in-confidence being discussed further. I can't speak for the intentions of others, but I for one if given the chance to attend would certainly try to capture as much information as possible to enable informed discussion and dissemination post-event within relevant communities. By that, I mean communicating information arising from it via means such as forum posts, blogs, audio/video, social networking and the like.

On competition and legalities: The laws within each state of Australia differ on the issues of competitions, but in this case the laws of NSW, and specifically the Lotteries and Art Unions Act (NSW) 1901 administered by the Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing.

IAs noted by pauly7, it (the contest to attend a lunch event including air transfers) would likely be deemed a trade promotion. However, in NSW, the trade promotion sections of the regulations only apply where they are operated as a game of chance. In the case of this contest, the winner is determined on the basis of skill, and not chance or random draw.

On this basis plus my knowledge of similar legislation in other states, I would posit that QF is likely to not in breach of NSW or other state laws through not holding or publicising permit details for this contest.

<puts away the legal geek cap>

 

[MEL_Traveller]

On competition and legalities: The laws within each state of Australia differ on the issues of competitions, but in this case the laws of NSW, and specifically the Lotteries and Art Unions Act (NSW) 1901 administered by the Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing.


On this basis plus my knowledge of similar legislation in other states, I would posit that QF is likely to not in breach of NSW or other state laws through not holding or publicising permit details for this contest.

<puts away the legal geek cap>

its ok it's ok!! I had already conceded this point. I didn't read properly that the top ten WILL be invited to lunch. I read the previous sentence where they said you have 'the chance' and then misread that if you had been in the top ten the you MAY be invited. if it had been 'may' rather than 'will' then there is an element of chance, and then trade promotions law applies. (it is entirely possible to have a game of skill where chance still plays a part' but the 'will be invited' takes away that element). but I conceded that point already in my previous post.

as it is a federal law, all states have to comply.

as I said, it is a nice gesture... but I cannot understand why a company has a representative on this board and yet does not answer the many ongoing questions that are still around. yet they seem prepared to answer (perhaps some of those same questions) at a luncheon for a select few... (scratch head...)

 

[harvyk]

Actually you'll find that virtually any trade promotions in NSW require licensing.

However given this is not actually a competition (competitions are based on pure chance \ skill, which this is not) you could almost imagine them treating this as customer focus group \ consulting group.

It's not unusual for companies when running customer focus groups to provide lunch, and transport to and from the event could easily be included as the cost of research without any issues.

 

[thewinchester]

as it is a federal law, all states have to comply.

I do hate to go on, but that's simply not true AFAIK.

There us no legislation within the Commonwealth consolidated acts I'm aware of that the Federal Government has taken over or been responsible for laws relating to gaming and gambling. This has always been the jurisdiction and domain of the states/territories - and I know this from having to implement and manage competitions and related affairs for various companies in a professional capacity, including the public sector and entities under Government control. Further, no federal agency or body exists to perform such an enforcement, policy or oversight role.

If you know something I don't regarding this, I'd love to hear it.

 

[harvyk]

I do hate to go on, but that's simply not true AFAIK.

There us no legislation within the Commonwealth consolidated acts I'm aware of that the Federal Government has taken over or been responsible for laws relating to gaming and gambling.

AFAIK you are correct

You where at least correct a couple of of years ago when I arranged a series of competitions in each mainland state. WA \ SA where the easist to deal with, QLD and VIC the second most, NSW was a pain in the rear end, to the point I considered not running the competition in NSW.

But to arrange everything I had to contact the office of gaming in each state. There was no one commonwealth body I could call (although I wish there was). I do believe however that NSW allows a single competition license to cover all promotions over a year provided the total value of all prizes does not exceed a certain amount. Therefore even if this is called a competition (and couldn't be called a trade promotion), I would expect that QF already has a competition license which would cover this.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I do hate to go on, but that's simply not true AFAIK.

There us no legislation within the Commonwealth consolidated acts I'm aware of that the Federal Government has taken over or been responsible for laws relating to gaming and gambling. This has always been the jurisdiction and domain of the states/territories - and I know this from having to implement and manage competitions and related affairs for various companies in a professional capacity, including the public sector and entities under Government control. Further, no federal agency or body exists to perform such an enforcement, policy or oversight role.

If you know something I don't regarding this, I'd love to hear it.

no no, you are right. my apologies. I was reading the accc in regards to advertising and prizes, which is restricted and does not cover lotteries and gaming which are, as you say, the domain of the states.

 

[TonyHancock]

If Steph Tully, and Simon Hickey can PM me answers to the following three questions......

1. Why does QF use the term enhancement to describe the removal benefits from it's frequent flyers?
2. Would the lunch with them at Rockpool taken place without Virgin's recent changes to it's FF program?
3. What have WP's done to offend you?

.....I'll invite them to my DYKWIA meet up in October, where I will try to explain who I am!....over a bottle of Chateau Dan Murphy

Actually I'm being more than a little unfair. This is a good initiative and I think my genuine question would be "What notice does QFF, if any, of views expressed on AFF?" I was beginning to think AFF was perhaps viewed as a little irrelevant, but this initiative suggests a more serious interest from QFF.

 

[maninblack]

Suggestion 1. Every time a Melbourne based passenger has to be routed through SYD or BNE because QF treats MEL like sheet and offers so few direct services from our great city we should get double points and status credits for our trouble and 'loyalty'.:idea:

(oh, and get rid of the guy with the ponytail)

 

[scottpilot10]

Red Roo hasn't even read my incisive questions. Guess the mailbox is full.

 

[simongr]

Suggestion 1. Every time a Melbourne based passenger has to be routed through SYD or BNE because QF treats MEL like sheet and offers so few direct services from our great city we should get double points and status credits for our trouble and 'loyalty'.:idea:

(oh, and get rid of the guy with the ponytail)

You do get the extra SCs for the routing MEL-SYD-LAX earns more than MEL-LAX

Red Roo hasn't even read my incisive questions. Guess the mailbox is full.

Probably waiting until all replies are in surely? You would get a message saying your msg couldnt be delivered if the mailbox was full.

 

[markis10]

Red Roo hasn't even read my incisive questions. Guess the mailbox is full.

Read receipts can be denied, that does not mean PMs have not been read, especially as they also get emailed!

 

[maninblack]

You do get the extra SCs for the routing MEL-SYD-LAX earns more than MEL-LAX

Indeed, don't I know it :!: Not the way I want to earn them.

 

[Jobu]

1. Can you talk about the new premium airline and is QFF setting up a separate new FF programme for it?

2. Will people need to choose between QFF or 'RedQ'FF or will they be able to hold both interchangeably? (you could give AFF/QFF members the first memberships - 0000001?)

3. I have over 7000 SCs this year. How will P1 make it worth my while to continue to fly with Qantas? Especially when you are "consolidating" international routes, deferring A380s and can hardly ever get me to my end destination without having to use one of your (mostly inferior) partners? Malaysian? LAN? SAA? AA? BA? No thanks. What recognition will any of them give me other than OW Emerald which is a dime-a-dozen these days? I can't even pick my seat on your partner airlines and I end up getting less points (that's when they even remember to give me points).

Thanks

J

 

[Must...Fly!]

Jobu, you must make your entry via PM to RedRoo.

 

[simongr]

I can't even pick my seat on your partner airlines and I end up getting less points (that's when they even remember to give me points).

Thanks

J

On which partners can you not pick seats?

You can on BA, CX, AA, AY, RJ and JL. I haven't flown IB, MA. I didn't try on LA.

Admittedly not through the QF website but that is not an issue I worry about.

 

[Jobu]

Jobu, you must make your entry via PM to RedRoo.

I will be overseas so can't attend, so I'm not entering, but hope my questions will be answered.

On which partners can you not pick seats?

You can on BA, CX, AA, AY, RJ and JL. I haven't flown IB, MA. I didn't try on LA.

Admittedly not through the QF website but that is not an issue I worry about.

Exactly - not using the QF website. And on those occassions that I will go to another OW airline's website, I have found the seat selection very limited, and almost always keep the seat I am given by default. I always get the back of the CX and LAN cabins and get random seats on BA and AA.

 

[harvyk]

On which partners can you not pick seats?

You can on BA, CX, AA, AY, RJ and JL. I haven't flown IB, MA. I didn't try on LA.

Admittedly not through the QF website but that is not an issue I worry about.

I pretty sure that you can do AA and CX seat selections via the QF website. (I don't remember not being able to) infact the only booking via the QF website I have not been able to use seat selection was a JQ flight.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I pretty sure that you can do AA and CX seat selections via the QF website. (I don't remember not being able to) infact the only booking via the QF website I have not been able to use seat selection was a JQ flight.

you cannot do cx selections via qf. while the seat map will show it will always show all seats available... and you can select quite happily but you will get an error. the seat requests do not translate over to the cx system.