Heads up about program changes

[drron]

I don't need anything prescribed by a GP.I just prescribe myself a nice bottle of red wine.
And as I have shown we will be adversely affected by these changes even though we fly premium cabins.

 

[Himeno]

Why is it so hard for them to just post a world map of what these "regions" are?

 

[Archphoto]

Why is it so hard for them to just post a world map of what these "regions" are?

I guess because QF regions and the actual true regions don't match perhaps?

 

[MarcB]

Maybe, but with the massive reduction in partner earn SC, they also want us to fly Qantas when they aren't available.
I have no issue with QF giving a cough earn when flying CX MEL-HKG or JL SYD-NRT. I do have an issue when they want to give a cough earn because I want to fly CX HKG-JFK.

Apologies if I am missing something on the uber confusing 'simple' tables, but I don't see anything that suggests the earning for HKG-JFK on CX is reduced. Wouldn't it fall into the "All other flights" category as it's not a specified routing?

 

[tuapekastar]

It appears the monetary values carry some importance.

SQ grants you PPS club membership if you have spent at least $SIN25,000 in the previous 12 months with them.

Judging from the levels of benefits alone, it appears that PPS membership is more highly valued than (say) SQ Silver or even Gold which you could achieve by repeated, frequent Y flights.

So, from your example, it would appear that QF would value the F pax more.

..... what is the thread about again ????

I feel we are just venting our frustrations, maybe anger at what QF had done - in essence, devaluing the QFF currency.

But, I sincerely doubt if anything we say / write here would make any iota of difference.

QF moves on.

So have I.

C'est la vie !

I certainly enjoy the scene while it lasts but I won't sit here crying forever.

Quite right too! Always my take when the program changes. Express my disappointment (or pleasure) where those sentiments may exist then re-evaluate available programs versus travel patterns and make the most judicious use of what is available.

 

[defurax]

Apologies if I am missing something on the uber confusing 'simple' tables, but I don't see anything that suggests the earning for HKG-JFK on CX is reduced. Wouldn't it fall into the "All other flights" category as it's not a specified routing?

In the new SC earning table for Partner Airlines all flights of more than 6,501 miles earn the same amount of SCs, de facto removing what used to be zone 8, 9 and 10.

 

[zainman]

Why is it so hard for them to just post a world map of what these "regions" are?

Could be quite difficult for the interns to find ADL and PER in that map...

 

[MarcB]

In the new SC earning table for Partner Airlines all flights of more than 6,501 miles earn the same amount of SCs, de facto removing what used to be zone 8, 9 and 10.

So it effectively moves from zone 8 to zone 7?

 

[defurax]

So it effectively moves from zone 8 to zone 7?

In the case of HKG-JFK on CX, yes. It's the beauty of the new simplified system...if your flight doesn't fall in the 58 new categories, you can find the SC earn by looking at "all other flights" category:mrgreen:

 

[DC3]

...Anyone who has Lurpak as his avatar must know "how it's done". Maybe we should meet up sometime Mr. Hancock and have high tea, warm scones dripping with Lurpak and strawberry jam, you just have no idea how excited that makes me thinking about that... "Purr"Anyway, on topic, I am suffering time zone sleep deprivation ...

The side effects on overdosing on Lurpak are still not known.

 

[DC3]

It makes you: ingenuine

Regards,

BD

... or perhaps, disingenuous.

 

[UP4014]

I just tried Sydney to SFO classic reward, routes via Dubai and more points of course.

What a crock.

Matt

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Why is it so hard for them to just post a world map of what these "regions" are?

The QF regions are the real regions.

What they've done is highlighted the core routes and put set mileage earn on those.
Everything else is mileage based like normal.

The table isn't as confusing as I first thought - but I've also spent 3 days analysing and reverse engineering it.
You are all welcome at my graduation later this week where I'll receive my pHD in QFF table understanding.

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

I just tried Sydney to SFO classic reward, routes via Dubai and more points of course.

What a crock.

Matt

Presumably SYD-BNE is in Business, BNE-DXB-SFO in Economy but the whole trip is priced at Business Class redemption levels?

 

[MarcB]

In the case of HKG-JFK on CX, yes. It's the beauty of the new simplified system...if your flight doesn't fall in the 58 new categories, you can find the SC earn by looking at "all other flights" category:mrgreen:

Perhaps a case of "why fly direct"...for example, JFK-YVR-HKG could be a nice little earner.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Just did up some calcuations to work out the ease/difficulty to get OWE status using non-QF OW flights. Using SYD as the base, I've put in CX MPC, BAEC, and AAdvantage as comparisons to HKG, SIN, and LHR.

For HKG on CX flights, QF requires 24 one-way J trips. CX = 21, BA = 11, AA = 15
SIN on BA, QF = 24, CX = 25, BA = 11, AA = 18
LHR (1 flight number) on BA via SIN, QF = 10, CX = 10, BA = 7, AA = 7
FRA (2 flight numbers) on CX via HKG, QF = 10, CX = 10, BA = 6, AA = 7

Note 1: decimals are rounded up to the nearest full number (you can't really take 0.3 of a trip)
Note 2: If QF coded flights are used, the numbers for QF would become HKG & SIN = 12, LHR & FRA = 5 on business. Flexible business require one less one-way trip for the 2 Asian cities, and remain the same for the 2 European cities.
Note 3: If I made a mistake, let me know and I'll update.

EDIT 1: LHR on AA corrected to 7.

 

[marki]

The side effects on overdosing on Lurpak are still not known.

High cholesterol obesity & heart attack

 

[Deleted member 29185]

He said every year, he'd take his most prized 20% of customers, aka the 20% who made up 80% of his sales, and would treat them to something really special. Conversely, he would take his bottom 20% of customers, aka the customers who brought in very little income, but took up 80% of his time, and he would dump them.

Good advice.

Years ago, MYOB use to send out a monthly "financial advice" cassette (told you it was years ago) and that was one of the pieces of wisdom on that....along with "keep your paying clients and dump your perpetually late payers". QF doesn't have the later, but they certainly have some of the former. I've often mused over who are the key players an airline wants to keep (and reward). Seems they've been making those decisions lately!

 

[legroom]

Just did up some calcuations to work out the ease/difficulty to get OWE status using non-QF OW flights. Using SYD as the base, I've put in CX MPC, BAEC, and AAdvantage as comparisons to HKG, SIN, and LHR.

For HKG on CX flights, QF requires 24 one-way J trips. CX = 21, BA = 11, AA = 15
SIN on BA, QF = 24, CX = 25, BA = 11, AA = 18
LHR (1 flight number) on BA via SIN, QF = 10, CX = 10, BA = 7, AA = 7
FRA (2 flight numbers) on CX via HKG, QF = 10, CX = 10, BA = 6, AA = 7

Note 1: decimals are rounded up to the nearest full number (you can't really take 0.3 of a trip)
Note 2: If QF coded flights are used, the numbers for QF would become HKG & SIN = 12, LHR & FRA = 5 on business. Flexible business require one less one-way trip for the 2 Asian cities, and remain the same for the 2 European cities.
Note 3: If I made a mistake, let me know and I'll update.

EDIT 1: LHR on AA corrected to 7.

I'd suggest a new thread be created to have what Awesom Andy is doing.

The "Heads Up" thread has served its purpose, I think.

It's time to move onto how to "use" the new guidelines (or should I mention JohnK's vernacular ?).

Well done, Andy !

 

[Deleted member 29185]

I'm curious to hear what constitutes a 'genuine' frequent flyer versus a 'non-genuine' one.

That's easy....

Genuine flyer - me,
Non-genuine - anyone who got the seat I wanted before me! :mrgreen: