Jetstar Delays/Cancellations

[MEL_Traveller]

More questions:
(a) how long does it take to replace a deployed slide
(b) Are these single use like car airbags?
(c) Can a prepackaged slide module be installed rather than reinstalling the existing slide?
(d)So what are the minimum required conditions to open an aircraft door

slides are not single use... they talk about 'repacking' them, and it seems to be a fairly expensive exercise... many thousands of dollars if the reports are true.

dunno whether they repack 'that' slide, or they fit a new one and repack the deployed one for use later on.

 

[Melburnian1]

It would be interesting to know whether the hostie who incorrectly deployed the slide still has a job. Imagine the embarrassment for her in front of her colleagues - assuming it was human and not another type of error.

Would the hostie or steward across the aisle (that is, the 'cross checker') also be in trouble?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It would be interesting to know whether the hostie who incorrectly deployed the slide still has a job. Imagine the embarrassment for her in front of her colleagues - assuming it was human and not another type of error.

Would the hostie or steward across the aisle (that is, the 'cross checker') also be in trouble?

crew working in the cabin are generally referred to as flight attendants or cabin crew these days. Hostesses and stewards are from a bygone era.

I would imagine there there would be a full range of emotions.. from 'wth!!' to questioning whether proper procedures were followed.

there could be many factors at play... and even if it is human error, it could be due to a range of factors... maybe even fatigue (a rostering issue rather than the crew member's out-of-hours activities).

unless there was a gross breach of protocol, it would seem inconsistent to fire the crew member. The aviation industry likes to work on a 'no blame' culture. I would expect that to be equally applied to cabin crew as well as pilots.

but even then, a range of factors might come in to play, including the record of the crew member and whether they had any instances in the past.

At the end of the day this isn't exactly a major incident. It happens. financially it will cost the airline. but no lasting damage done to any humans.

 

[Melburnian1]

Thank you MEL_Traveller. This 'no blame' culture is also the case in the rail, tram and bus surface travel modes. Not sure what applies with modes like shipping and the road freight (trucking) industry, and it is sometimes unclear whether clear negligence (which cannot be put down to fatigue) or even worse, a deliberate act of sabotage would alter the situation.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Thank you MEL_Traveller. This 'no blame' culture is also the case in the rail, tram and bus surface travel modes. Not sure what applies with modes like shipping and the road freight (trucking) industry, and it is sometimes unclear whether clear negligence (which cannot be put down to fatigue) or even worse, a deliberate act of sabotage would alter the situation.

you're actually after a 'just culture'... I'm being a little flippant with the term 'no blame'. For the very small number of serious negligent or criminal (or otherwise) activities which are intentional or deliberate you want the full force of the law to apply. But in other circumstances you want to foster reporting and learning.

 

[Melburnian1]

Well actually MEL_Traveller, you were entirely accurate because if I am not mistaken, the ATSB and other Australian transport safety bodies tend to use the exact words you used - 'no blame.'

However again you are correct - 'just' might be a better description, because it would be unfair on society, employers and fellow employees if serious negligence or criminality went unpunished. As you suggest, the vast majority of 'errors' are not going to be deliberate. It reminds me of how judges and magistrates apply 'general deterrence' as one of their many sentencing techniques.

Take a bow, MEL_Traveller.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Would the hostie or steward across the aisle (that is, the 'cross checker') also be in trouble?

Not sure how the crew member across the other side can be in trouble. By the time his/her assigned door was disarmed, he/she was left to "cross check" an opened door/slide.

 

[Melburnian1]

Severe delays due to the strong westerlies in SYD and consequent restrictions on runway use to just 07 continue, with JQ517, the 1400 hours SYD to MEL still in the queue at 1527. Aircraft is A321 VH-VWW with arrival likely in the southern capital post 1635 hours, so more than an hour behind the scheduled 1535 arrival.

The 1150 hours MEL - SYD, JQ502 (A320 VH-VQS) is not far off the latter and should pull up at the gate at about 1600 hours, two and three quarter hours late.

The 1250 MEL to SYD, JQ412, took off at 1455 this afternoon and is retimed for a 1615 hours arrival, two hours late. Aircraft is A320 VH-VQW.

 

[Quickstatus]

Not sure how the crew member across the other side can be in trouble. By the time his/her assigned door was disarmed, he/she was left to "cross check" an opened door/slide.

From observing cabin crew in action, The the crosscheck is done immediately after the disarm but before aircraft door is opened.

Apparently the rapidly inflating slide can do a lot of damage to a person in its path. Just like an airbag.

There was no Jetstar stairs in the picture. Would the door be normally only opened when the stairs is in place first. Either the door was opened inadvertently before the stairs had arrived or the stairs were removed before the picture was taken, otherwise we would have seen a picture like the one with the slide pointing up in the air.


A bit bit of trivia, how does the slide inflate so quickly with so much air?. There is no air pump small enough but powerful enough to inflate a slide in 6 seconds , just a small canister of CO2 or N2 with an expanded volume inadequate to complete fill and pressurise the slide???. It's a known effect named after its discoverer. Anyone??

 

[Melburnian1]

JQ792, the 0815 hours Sunday 29 May 2016 MEL - MCY departed 66 minutes late at 0921 hours with arrival suggested as 1130, an hour late.

The 0920 MEL to AYQ departed 64 late at 1024 with arrival forecast for 1254, also 64 late.

 

[Melburnian1]

On Wednesday 1 June, JQ37 (1640 SYD - DOS, B788 VH-VKD) was airborne at 1732, so arrival is expected at around 2150 hours this evening, 45 minutes late.

 

[Melburnian1]

On Thursday 2 June, JQ605, the 0755 hours SYD down to AVV (A320 VH-VQH) had not pushed back by 0830. FR24 suggests that it will not arrive AVV until about 1030, 65 minutes late, but the QF website (which one hopes is more accurate) suggests a SYD departure at 0925 for an AVV arrival at 1100.

The earlier 0700 SYD to AVV, JQ603, is also shown as an amended 0925 hours departure and an 1100 arrival at AVV instead of the usual 0835.

Given the conditions in Victoria this morning there is a very good chance that AVV is fogbound.

QF suggests that JQ604 from AVV back to SYD, the 1240 hours, will instead depart at 1435 this afternoon and arrive in SYD at 1630 rather than 1405, a slower than normal trip.

UPDATE: JQ603 and JQ605 were both diverted to MEL this morning. One would hope that JQ organises buses for those needing to get to or from AVV.

 

[Melburnian1]

Ar 1800 hours on Thursday 2 June, 'The Age' online reported that a 'low haze' was disrupting flights at MEL but it then went on to quote a Tiger spokesman or woman who said that 'heavy fog' would occur. 'Low haze' is not 'heavy fog!' TT has had two cancellations this late afternoon or evening, but JQ flights, while not cancelled, are in some cases tardy.

JQ948, the 1820 hours MEL to CNS was airborne at 1924.

 

[Saab34]

Avalon was fogged in all day, not much got in and not much got out!

SYD-AVV diverted to MEL
SYD-AVV diverted to MEL
AVV-OOL-AVV cancelled
AVV-HBA cancelled
HBA-AVV went ahead with aircraft ferried in from MEL and landed AVV 7hrs late
SYD-AVV x3 cancelled. Looks like an aircraft is going back to Syd empty as I type.

What really sucks is they delayed the 1240 AVV-SYD to 7pm and the cancelled it at 6pm!

 

[Awesom Andy]

What really sucks is they delayed the 1240 AVV-SYD to 7pm and the cancelled it at 6pm!

They must be delusional thinking that fog will lift after sunset.

 

[Melburnian1]

On Thursday 2 June, the very late night 2335 hours arrival in MEL ex PER (JQ961) has also been cancelled.

 

[Quickstatus]

What is the usual JQ treatment of dislocated passengers from weather related events?.

 

[Melburnian1]

The fog in MEL on Friday 3 June has resulted in the 0830 MEL to HBA being altered to depart at 0950 hours, while JQ416 to SYD is expected to pushback at 0915 hours, 45 minutes late.

The 0815 NTL to MEL, JQ475 (A320 VH-VGD) was airborne at 0935 and should be at the MEL terminal at approximately 1056, 61 minutes late.

The 0830 to ADL, JQ774 and the 1040 hours to SYD, JQ510 have been cancelled as has the early afternoon flight to BNE, JQ564.

JQ438, the 1405 MEL - OOL is also cancelled.

JQ432 from MEL to OOL should depart an hour late at 1100 while JQ508, the 1015 to SYD has been retimed to be off blocks at a supposed 1050 hours.

The 1025 to HBA ex MEL, JQ707 shojuld depart 75 minutes late at 1140 with the identically timed scheduled departure to LST, JQ735 expecterd to depart three and a half hours late at 1355.

While not 'interesting' for passengers who face multi-hour delays, it can be instructive to observe which flights suffer the longest delays. While there will be many factors involved, including crew requirements and positioning, there is a bit of a 'pecking order' with JQ for instance when it operates MEL to BNK flights treating that as a low priority when multiple delays to numerous flights occur.

JQ18, the redeye from HKT should arrive in MEL at about 1028, 43 minutes late on Friday 3 June with B788 VH-VKG as the aircraft.

 

[Melburnian1]

On Friday 3 June, JQ721, the 1110 from SYD down to HBA was airborne at 1140 and should arrive at about 1340 hours, 35 minutes behind time. Aircraft is A320 VH-VQZ.

 

[docjames]

You missed JQ602 and 604 both cancelled ex-AVV. Pax had to lug it to MEL to get on alternatives in any reasonable timeframe.