Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[straitman]

you obviously have not travelled in Australia, let alone Australia to New Zealand. It is really bad here. The general consensus with Y Pax passengers is that they are just as equally “entitled” to not only use J pax toilet in flight....but to add insult to an expensive injury believe they have the right to line up well past the business “barrier”, this making it impossible for the business passengers to even get out of their seats, let alone use their “dedicated ” toilet.

we will continue to provide feedback to Qantas regarding this as it won’t change any time soon. Perhaps commencement of video showing Y pax lining up from behind the barrier to use the J pax toilet might make Qantas pay attention to the matter!

Really?

My somewhat limited experience in this matter says you are exaggerating and that the problem is nowhere near as bad as you are stating.

Putting in place and enforcing their own rules would sort the issue very quickly. It's not that hard if you want to make it work.

 

[Trudie22]

I am most certainly not exaggerating. Come to Australia...fly business and see for yourself how slack the “enforcement” is here. It’s not just on the interstate flights....we have found it’s even worse on the AU to NZ flights, and we fly over the ditch on a very regular basis business as we have family and property interests there

Qantas have only now realised they should be providing a higher level of service to Frequent flyers and business travellers in our domestic terminals by introducing enforcement of priority boarding this year... part of their “100th” year anniversary special we imagine.

the FA’s need to be held accountable.....especially the business “gatekeeper” FA!

 

[JessicaTam]

you obviously have not travelled in Australia, let alone Australia to New Zealand.

Don't worry @straitman - WKWYA!

(We know who you are).

 

[straitman]

I am most certainly not exaggerating. Come to Australia...fly business and see for yourself how slack the “enforcement” is here. It’s not just on the interstate flights....we have found it’s even worse on the AU to NZ flights, and we fly over the ditch on a very regular basis business as we have family and property interests there

Qantas have only now realised they should be providing a higher level of service to Frequent flyers and business travellers in our domestic terminals by introducing enforcement of priority boarding this year... part of their “100th” year anniversary special we imagine.

the FA’s need to be held accountable.....especially the business “gatekeeper” FA!

OK I'll come and have a look on QF415 (SYD - MEL) on 31st December. (If I can stay awake having just flown in on QF8)

It's nothing to do with the FA's being accountable. Do you realise that their primary role is your safety and not toilet police?

The company needs to be positive, not wishy washy, in its direction to its staff and then it's problem solved. If it was a safety issue it would be fixed in an instant.

 

[rcn]

Not fussed at all when flying J on a 737 and Y passengers use the J bathroom. But I always make a concious effort to walk to the rear lavatories when I fly in row 4. The issue here is structural, without a physical barrier, Y passengers will always have pausible deniability when it come to using the front lavatories, and it puts the crew in difficult position to be constantly enforcing this.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

... and it puts the crew in difficult position to be constantly enforcing this.

...but why is it only difficult for Qantas crew?

In the old days when there were no curtains on domestic US travel there wasn't the same issue. Announcement that pax should use lavatories in their ticketed cabin did the trick.

 

[moa999]

But I always make a concious effort to walk to the rear lavatories when I fly in row 4. The issue here is structural, without a physical barrier, Y passengers will always have pausible deniability

The other issue is because QF has full meal service, particularly on the shorter flights, you often have a cart or two in the aisles for half the flight which can make it difficult for pax, or crew if they are continually having to move carts to allow passengers through.

 

[Franky]

I put it in the same category as priority boarding - if it's a rule, then enforce it...

 

[straitman]

All gone very quiet here.

 

[JessicaTam]

All gone very quiet here.

The curtains are muffling the sound!

 

[Trudie22]

I don’t agree with Y using the J toilet!
You pay good money to travel business, whether it be domestic or International.
There are only 12 seats in business domestic & some international flights such as AU to NZ.....,so it shouldn’t be that difficult for FA’s to monitor the Y pax and turn them back once they cross into the “J” zone to use the toilet.

J pax should not have to line up behind Y pax to use their dedicated “business class” toilet!

I’ve complained as a J pax in flight several times to the FA’s, who have given some fairly lame excuses such as “discrimination” and people with injuries!

it’s not discriminatory! If you pay for a business seat, the dedicated business toilet is for exclusively for business travellers only!

We are Platinum QFF’s & have flown as Y pax several times, and would never even entertain the thought of going up front to use the J pax toilet, out of sheer respect for the business class passengers!

people with “injuries” should notify qantas of their current status in order to be allocated seats at the back, or self select their own back seats on the Qantas app if toilet access is an issue for them!

Otherwise purchase a business seat if you want to use the front toilet!

it is Definately not enforced and I personally feel most FA’s don’t care who uses the business toilet!

bring back the curtains, or at the very least follow Virgin’s rope trick!

 

[BD1959]

... or at the very least follow Virgin’s rope trick!

Another admirer here of VA's "rope trick" - physical reminder to Y passengers (I *never* use the J toilet when seated forward in the Y cabin) and also a reference point to any J FAs who could banish any miscreants to the rear for transgressing the tether!!

Regards,

BD

 

[straitman]

The curtains are muffling the sound!

The curtains seem to have been replaced by a VA rope!

 

[jb747]

I have a feeling that there was some involvement with the air marshal system and the curtains. They didn't want them to be closed. But you couldn't have them closed on days without marshals, because it would be a tell as to whether they were on board.

 

[ChrisMars]

I think the use of the throne at the pointy end should be a published benefit of lifetime platinum. Now THAT would be an incentive, by the look of this thread.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I have a feeling that there was some involvement with the air marshal system and the curtains. They didn't want them to be closed. But you couldn't have them closed on days without marshals, because it would be a tell as to whether they were on board.

Good point!

The option then would have been to go down the USA route with transparent mesh curtains.

 

[StevoQFtraveller]

Good point!

The option then would have been to go down the USA route with transparent mesh curtains.

Yeah. You could have those plastic-strip curtains that shops use to keep the flies out....sorta the same thing?!?

 

[woodborer]

All gone very quiet here.

While noting that your post was from last year.

After a Covid induced hiatus, it has returned with great vigour...

 

[p--and--t]

Yeah. You could have those plastic-strip curtains that shops use to keep the flies out....sorta the same thing?!?

Totally unacceptable in a covid environment

 

[Blackswan]

I have a feeling that there was some involvement with the air marshal system and the curtains. They didn't want them to be closed. But you couldn't have them closed on days without marshals, because it would be a tell as to whether they were on board.

I didn't realise that there are air marshals continuing to operate on domestic flights within Australia (or ever did, for that matter).