Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[Pushka]

Am I able to use the exit forward of the J cabin if we need to evacuate or is that too protected and only for J passengers.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Am I able to use the exit forward of the J cabin if we need to evacuate or is that too protected and only for J passengers.

The sign says ‘except in emergency’, so yes, you are able to use the forward exit.

 

[Pushka]

The sign says ‘except in emergency’, so yes, you are able to use the forward exit.

I said before that I hadn’t seen this sign. Where is it?

 

[TheRealTMA]

Am I able to use the exit forward of the J cabin if we need to evacuate or is that too protected and only for J passengers.

No you have to use the back door only. Besides the J cabin will be blocked by people getting their carryons out of the lockers.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I said before that I hadn’t seen this sign. Where is it?

Apparently on the screen hanging from the ceiling between the cabins. On other aircraft it is on the bulkhead walls. Some airlines have it on the curtains.

 

[Pushka]

Apparently on the screen hanging from the ceiling between the cabins. On other aircraft it is on the bulkhead walls. Some airlines have it on the curtains.

Weren't we discussing lack of curtains? And in domestic? Is there such a sign on domestic flights?

 

[durbrain]

Reread some of what has been written because your answer is all about what you want to say and not about I or anyone else has responsed to you and clearly skips the bits you don't like. I'll say it again simply that to even suggest that people would steal from a trolly is ludicrous and offensive.

It is IMHO almost akin to Trolling.

I have responded to all the ‘points’ put forth by others and yes they are wrong. What have I not addressed?

Your disagreement with my responses does not render them ‘trolling’.

You find the idea of stealing from a trolley offensive. Great. I don’t see a huge distinction between that and stealing a service.

And I’m not sure what the point of argument from authority is? Despite your longstanding experience in aviation, you and everyone else have been unable to explain why QF have a sign saying J class only!

 

[straitman]

So perhaps what we need here is an explanation. Why do airlines - including Qantas - post a placard saying 'business class only beyond this point'? Does it have any meaning? And if not, why do they put it there?

I'm actually not sure what is there not to understand. 'Business Class only beyond this point' is self explanatory to me as it means exactly what it says.
The issue really is who can authorise exemptions and what are they? The answer is any of the aircraft crew can enforce or make exemptions as/when appropriate. eg "Sir feel free to use the forward loos if you wish etc."
To propose rigid enforcement would be ludicrous in times of emergency or even for a normal exit of the aircraft. -- Sorry we cannot exit as the sign says so and someone on AFF insists that there cannot be exemptions.

 

[straitman]

I have responded to all the ‘points’ put forth by others and yes they are wrong. What have I not addressed?
Your disagreement with my responses does not render them ‘trolling’.

Using the same arguments repeatedly you have attacked people and called them names for disagreeing with you.

You find the idea of stealing from a trolley offensive. Great. I don’t see a huge distinction between that and stealing a service.

The trolly one went past you again. You assertion about people taking stuff off the trolly is what is offensive.

And I’m not sure what the point of argument from authority is? Despite your longstanding experience in aviation, you and everyone else have been unable to explain why QF have a sign saying J class only!

I already explained in my previous post but to amplify I am talking from a knowledge base and you are talking from your opinion.

Oh so suddenly the 'company policy' has changed so there's exceptions? How convenient.

Still waiting to see a copy of this 'internal policy'. Or are we just meant to believe that you heard it from a reliable source such as the third cousin of your favourite teacher's ex-wife's pet turtle?

If this is 'internal company policy' you will never see it.

The rest of your post is just condescending and rude.

 

[durbrain]

I'm actually not sure what is there not to understand. 'Business Class only beyond this point' is self explanatory to me as it means exactly what it says.
The issue really is who can authorise exemptions and what are they? The answer is any of the aircraft crew can enforce or make exemptions as/when appropriate. eg "Sir feel free to use the forward loos if you wish etc."

Since you seem to require me to provide a point by point rebuttal to not be considered ‘trolling’, allow me to do so even though I have gone stated these multiple times in the past.

A crew member may direct a passenger to the front toilet because it’s the lesser of two evils, the alternative being rolling the trolley all the way back. This does not negate the fact that the Y passenger should have planned ahead and not put the cabin crew in that position to begin with. The Y passenger is still SELFISH.

And yes, understandable if somebody has an unpredictable urgency, but that would be RARE. That does not account for the frequency at which Y passengers breech the J cabin.

And if one has a preexisting condition in which urgent bathroom visits are likely, then they too are Selfish for not choosing a more appropriation are seat (row 30).

To propose rigid enforcement would be ludicrous in times of emergency or even for a normal exit of the aircraft. -- Sorry we cannot exit as the sign says so and someone on AFF insists that there cannot be exemptions.

Here’s where common sense comes in. Clearly the sign’s purpose applies during a normal flight operation. What are you going to say next? That walking through the J cabin on entry is ‘breaking the sign rule’ and therefore my argument is invalid? Going to the toilet does not constitute a crisis requiring breech of the J cabin.

Using the same arguments repeatedly you have attacked people and called them names for disagreeing with you.

I have attacked the actions of a group of people who have engaged in antisocial behaviour. Why’s that a problem.

The trolly one went past you again. You assertion about people taking stuff off the trolly is what is offensive.

Nope. The response has gone past you. You find an assertion offensive. I find an actual ACTION offensive. One causes actual inconvenience, the other only causes butthurt feelings. Perspective?

I already explained in my previous post but to amplify I am talking from a knowledge base and you are talking from your opinion.

Rubbish. Yours is just as much of an opinion as mine. I just don’t claim to be right purely on authority.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm actually not sure what is there not to understand. 'Business Class only beyond this point' is self explanatory to me as it means exactly what it says.
The issue really is who can authorise exemptions and what are they? The answer is any of the aircraft crew can enforce or make exemptions as/when appropriate. eg "Sir feel free to use the forward loos if you wish etc."
To propose rigid enforcement would be ludicrous in times of emergency or even for a normal exit of the aircraft. -- Sorry we cannot exit as the sign says so and someone on AFF insists that there cannot be exemptions.

As you know, the sign exempts emergency situations.

In essence your post is redefining the issue from one of whether the front WC is the domain of the business class cabin, to whether or not the cabin crew can authorise an exemption. (Noting, separately, that there are some signs the cabin crew have no discretion to override.)

Some of the previous discussion has been whether or not toilets in the business cabin are for supposed to be for general use (there's nothing to say they are restricted), rather than whether they can be used if a member of crew authorises it.

If there is a sign limiting access to the cabin for business class only, and people agree the sign means exactly what it says, that suggests the toilets are prima facie not for general use, unless overridden by crew.

While there will be cases of genuine need - the elderly, those with medical conditions - it doesn't make much sense for airlines to put those signs up if they aren't intended to be enforced.

 

[durbrain]

If this is 'internal company policy' you will never see it.

The rest of your post is just condescending and rude.

Seriously? Does anybody actually believe Qantas has a formal policy which encourages Y passengers to abuse the privileges that are openly advertised for higher cabins/frequent flyers? Does that sound reasonable to you?

What's to stop me making completely ridiculous assertions? Oh I heard from my 5th cousin (a QF insider) that Alan Joyce personally sent a memo tonight confirming J toilet is not for Y passengers. Well then, that's sorted!

Make a ridiculous assertion, expect a ridiculous response.

 

[tgh]

Popcorn anyone ??

 

[Gold60]

got mine thanks

Popcorn anyone ??

 

[Pushka]

Microwave broken

 

[Denali]

Microwave broken

Target Air popper for $15. Does a fantastic job and very fast.

 

[straitman]

Seriously? Does anybody actually believe Qantas has a formal policy which encourages Y passengers to abuse the privileges that are openly advertised for higher cabins/frequent flyers? Does that sound reasonable to you?

What's to stop me making completely ridiculous assertions? Oh I heard from my 5th cousin (a QF insider) that Alan Joyce personally sent a memo tonight confirming J toilet is not for Y passengers. Well then, that's sorted!

Make a ridiculous assertion, expect a ridiculous response.

Wow.

How to take something totally OT. Please read what was written.

 

[im.daniel]

What a great thread!

Oh, I too have also been told by CSM (as a OWE) on quite a few DOM Y flights (mostly when sitting in 4C/4D) inviting me to use the front toilet. But I never do (feel awkward lol).

 

[VPS]

Really why don’t you close this thread durbrain is obviously not going to give up

 

[Pushka]

Really why don’t you close this thread durbrain is obviously not going to give up

Where’s the fun in that? But seriously I think heads are banging together.

Now I shall go sit in my scummy Y seat (however, unlike some I do not regard myself AS scum), until my next flight in J.