Life Silver Recognition? Nope accused of made up crime and threatened with arrest..

[Deleted member]

Please, PLEASE tell me that you started your complaint to Qantas with "I fly more than pilots and I have advanced scuba certifications" :O

And a BSc (Bronce swimming certificate) LOL

 

[RooFlyer]

side comment.. it's rare I see people (in J) paying attention. I do it to be polite but people watching tablets, reading papers etc is pretty common in the cabin. I find it disrespectful no matter how often we fly and think we know it all. Specially to the crew member demonstrating.

Exactly!

 

[davidj]

Like to hear the other side of the story.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Like many on here I always pay attention to the briefing out of courtesy. However once on a flight from Zambia to South Africa with Comair (BA), we were the only pax in J. The FA came and asked if we wanted the briefing and we said nope - happy to give it a miss.....

 

[Strategic Aviation]

My understanding is that an aircraft interior is still considered a public space

Flier beware: Airlines aren’t clear about their photography policies - Washington Post

Can airlines stop you from taking photos? Yes, if you’re on a plane, says Daniel Greenberg, an attorney who specializes in photography rights issues.

“You can’t prohibit photography in public,” he says. “But the prohibition of photography on private property is legitimate. That decision is up to the property owner. If you don’t want to follow the carrier’s rules, don’t get on the carrier’s plane.”

I do realise, of course, that during a demo the crew is engaged doing that so you can't really fall out of line and call someone out if you THINK they are doing this

It can happen - A Lufthansa Purser Accused Me Of Secretly Recording The Crew - One Mile at a Time.

I'm reminded of several documented cases of bloggers in the US being booted off flights for taking pictures of cabins and yes, US majors do have published policies now on such things.

Yes, there are published airline photography policies (including airports).

There are also unpublished policies because 'security'.

When it comes to JetBlue in particular, the airline maintained it does not make its photography policy public due to security reasons.

 

[SpudOz]

Like many on here I always pay attention to the briefing out of courtesy. However once on a flight from Zambia to South Africa with Comair (BA), we were the only pax in J. The FA came and asked if we wanted the briefing and we said nope - happy to give it a miss.....

Reminds me of a flight I did about a year ago from Kalumbila to Lusaka (also in Zambia) with Proflight. I was sitting in the exit row and the FA came down the aisle to give me a briefing. The young lady in question was a rather large lass and her blazer did not quite fit. It was fasten by one solitary button under strain. I did not hear a word she said as at that point the button went "ping". How I stopped myself from laughing, I do not know....

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

It can happen - A Lufthansa Purser Accused Me Of Secretly Recording The Crew - One Mile at a Time.

That's an eerily similar situation!

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

I do think being LTS is irrelevant to the story though except to underline one flies a lot...

I mentioned LTS because I had just clocked over, and when he came up to me I genuinely believed I was going to get receive some sort of plesantry like you do for being WP. I do realise this forum is probably not the best place (well nowhere is really) to boast about reaching LTS given the number exalted FFs here.

 

[JohnK]

I fly a fair bit and just made LTS myself but I always do what the crew asks whether I perceive it is a suggestion or command aka enforced requirement. Even if I'm on quiz question 16, I shut the mag, shut up and pay attention.

And you'd give up your bulkhead/exit row aisle seat for a middle seat down the back if the crew asked.... told you to move?

There are times I'm fast asleep by the time the crew is ready for the safety demostration.

 

[ALH]

Hahaha with QF?

No. Malaysian!

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

And you'd give up your bulkhead/exit row aisle seat for a middle seat down the back if the crew asked.... told you to move?

There are times I'm fast asleep by the time the crew is ready for the safety demostration.

Don't argue with the sky gods!

 

[jb747]

Call the police? How? I've got the radio, not the cabin crew.

 

[RichardMEL]

Call the police? How? I've got the radio, not the cabin crew.

That's true, but if a crew member or CSM comes to the "front office" and says a pax has caused a disturbance and/or disobeyed crew member instructions and they request you to call the company to have the AFP meet the plane are you going to say no?

I suppose in reality there's common snese. It would be interesting to poll say 100 commercial airline pilots and ask them "If you were told a pax in the cabin was (allegedly) filming the safety demo would you counsider this a reason to call the police and/or have action taken against the pax?" it might be interesting.

I suspect most Captains of commercial flights would err on the side of caution in this case given they hold ultimate responsibility for the flight's operatiion and all on board.

Though it seems in the OP's case it never got to this point. I wonder if the OP had spoken to the CSM later regarding the situation if that may have yieled anything or not vs just one crew member making what amounts to a threat based on an allegation (with no evidence either), at least according to the OP.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I mentioned LTS because I had just clocked over, and when he came up to me I genuinely believed I was going to get receive some sort of plesantry like you do for being WP. I do realise this forum is probably not the best place (well nowhere is really) to boast about reaching LTS given the number exalted FFs here.

Mr FM and I are both LTG, the 3 kids are LTS - I don’t think any of us have ever had any recognition of that - the letter is about as good as it gets

 

[jb747]

I'm going to want a lot more information for a start. From what I've read here, I can guarantee that they wouldn't come anywhere near me.

 

[Economy_Gold]

It can happen - A Lufthansa Purser Accused Me Of Secretly Recording The Crew - One Mile at a Time.
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This is not relevant at all in this case as the privacy laws in some countries (like in Germany) make it illegal to photograph/video someone without his/her permission. The situation in Australia is very different.

In regards to the situation describt, while I think that in principle it is a good idea to watch the safety demonstration for your own and other passenger's safety, it is ludicrous that crew members invent rules when they do no like a particular passenger. I think this needs to be stopped and I would for sure send a strongly worded letter to Qantas, some news outlets and Twitter if that happens to me.

 

[Strategic Aviation]

This is not relevant

You missed the context of the quote in response to RichardMEL's quote. It was not about privacy laws.

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

Well in some good news, my flight yesterday went well, and I was even let into the F loungue on a j ticket because my partner was flying F to another destination with EK, which they could have made me do the escalator of shame. Crew on the flight were very pleasant, so it doesn't look like I've been but on a proscription list. I haven't heard anything from QF, I didote when I submitted my complaint there was no acknowledgement message, the fields where just emptied, and I didn't get an email either, is that usual?

 

[monoccular]

I fly 80-100 sectors a year and have never seen or heard anything remotely like this.
I must admit to not diligently watching the reruns of the safety demo every time, and I would be interested to hear of any legal requirement to do this, and of any legal requirement not to film it.
I suspect that the FA was having a particularly bad day, which of course is absolutely not an excuse for what you describe.
You should contact Q and one would hope that the crew member would be questioned and if necessary reprimanded, and his behavior noted and filed in case this became a pattern.

 

[SOPOOR]

you could follow USA style behaviour , you should try and attempt to sue for $5m in damages, and settle for a good fianncial setllemetn