MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[samh004]

Not only the relatives, but now the Chinese media screaming:

Chinese journalists say they are being 'locked out' of AMSA media briefings

Just contemptible.

Sounds like there's not enough space for everyone, but they're doing the best they can. Some will miss out, but that's always the case.

 

[prozac]

Sounds like there's not enough space for everyone, but they're doing the best they can. Some will miss out, but that's always the case.

I am certain that some Chinese journos made it into the briefing.
Squeaky wheel syndrome. "Look we're different, you are discriminating against us." Easy to feel deliberately cut-off when under stress. Add journalist to the mix (there's and ours...SMH) and it becomes an explosive mixture.

As Sam says, AMSA will be doing the best they can.

 

[amaroo]

The vid in this article is worth a look MH370 search: How new satellite data confirmed Malaysia Airlines plane was lost

OT - might be worth a punt as a speculative stock Inmarsat PLC, ISAT:LSE summary - FT.com given any developments that may come out of this for compulsory tracking.

 

[prozac]

The Inmarsat spokesman was saying contract cost to continually track an aircraft fleet would be in the order of $1 per hour per aircraft.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I'm a little disappointed (to say the least) that the text from MH (assuming media reports are correct) basically said 'they are dead. The plane crashed near Perth in the Indian Ocean'.

Fine. Say the airline likely crashed. Pinpoint a location. But just because a plane crashed does not mean there are no survivors as unlikely as the possibility is.

I agree with the above, "Missing, presumed no survivors" is perhaps what they mean to say.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Just watching Anderson Cooper on CNN along with a panel of aviation experts discussing whether the quarter tonne of lithium batteries carried in the cargo hold of MH370 could have caused a fire onboard.

 

[mannej]

Just watching Anderson Cooper on CNN along with a panel of aviation experts discussing whether the quarter tonne of lithium batteries carried in the cargo hold of MH370 could have caused a fire onboard.

What is their consensus? How quickly would such a fire develop?

 

[prozac]

Just watching Anderson Cooper on CNN along with a panel of aviation experts discussing whether the quarter tonne of lithium batteries carried in the cargo hold of MH370 could have caused a fire onboard.

Someone else posted in this thread that if the Lithium batteries spontaneously ignited then the MH370 would have in all likelihood crashed well before it ran out of fuel.

 

[SeatBackForward]

This unfortunate incident is highlighting some major structural issues with Malaysia:

IF YOU are perplexed by Monday’s announcement on the missing Malaysian airliner, no wonder. Prime Minister Najib Razak declared that the flight “ended” in the southern Indian Ocean, and the state-owned airline said that “we have to assume beyond a reasonable doubt” that the plane went down in the ocean, far off its course to Beijing. Both announcements were vague; neither said much about why or how.

From the moment the plane went missing, the Malaysian government has been ham-handed in its dealings with grieving families and the global glare of attention. It delayed for hours saying anything after the plane first vanished, and over the next few weeks much of the information it disseminated was conflicting, wrong or misleading.

Such a bizarre disaster would be difficult for any government to deal with, and a fair amount of uncertainty and confusion is expected. But the Malaysian government has shown signs of a deeper malaise that comes from a half century of rule without challenge or transparency...

...When China, no champion of transparency, complains — as it did recently, asking for “more thorough and accurate information” from Malaysia — you know the depth of the problem.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...255ba6-b372-11e3-8cb6-284052554d74_story.html

 

[prozac]

Source?...

 

[SeatBackForward]

Source?...

Thanks. Edited.

 

[boomy]

I would think this is nothing more than a PR exercise by Malaysian. As Chinese are a superstitious people by culture I would imagine MH are loosing this market quickly right now.

Superstitious or not, they deserve to loose this market for the terrible way they treated the Chinese families in the last few weeks.

 

[markis10]

Someone else posted in this thread that if the Lithium batteries spontaneously ignited then the MH370 would have in all likelihood crashed well before it ran out of fuel.

Any fire airborne tends to result in a poor outcome quickly

ASN Aircraft accident Boeing 747-44AF (SCD) N571UP Dubai Airport (DXB)

 

[Robbi]

Not only the relatives, but now the Chinese media screaming:

Chinese journalists say they are being 'locked out' of AMSA media briefings

Just contemptible.

Which bit?

 

[NM]

Any fire airborne tends to result in a poor outcome quickly

ASN Aircraft accident Boeing 747-44AF (SCD) N571UP Dubai Airport (DXB)

And it would normally result in some form of Mayday call from the crew, and most unlikely result in disabling the transponder and flying for many hours on the course flown by MH370. So while a fire caused by lithium batteries is bad, I believe it nothing to do with the cause of this loss.

 

[browski]

If you fully read the BBC article, you can quickly come to the conclusion that this new satellite data will be found to be almost impossible to be correct. (Whilst I hope it is correct, it appears to be untested and extremely unreliable at best, but it does match their preferred outcome, so they probably just ran with it.)
Here's an extract:

"He told the BBC: "We have been dealing with a totally new area. We've been trying to help an investigation based on a single signal once an hour from an aircraft that didn't include any GPS data, any time and distance information."So this really was a bit of a shot in the dark and it's to the credit of our scientific team that they came up and managed to model this."
Mr McLaughlin continued: "They managed to find a way in which to say just a single ping can be used to say the plane was both powered up and travelling, and then by a process of elimination - comparing it to other known flights - establish that it went south."
A spokeswoman for the AAIB said it could not comment on the investigation, but confirmed: "As set out by the Malaysian prime minister, we have been working with the UK company Inmarsat, using satellite data to determine the area on which to focus the search."

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall, from the University of Southampton, told the BBC: "The algorithms and the techniques [Inmarsat] have applied to try and locate - to within a certain area - where the last transmission was made is really quite phenomenal - but also quite tragic because it does show this plane was heading to an open area of ocean."
He continued: "They've probably crammed almost a year's worth of research into maybe a couple of weeks, so it's not a routine calculation they would ever, ever make.
"They've been looking at all the signals they have, all the recordings they have, and processing that many times over to try and pinpoint where the plane's signal came from. Technologically it's really quite astounding."

BBC News - UK firm behind Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 breakthrough

 

[Robbi]

If you fully read the BBC article, you can quickly come to the conclusion that this new satellite data will be found to be almost impossible to be correct. (Whilst I hope it is correct, it appears to be untested and extremely unreliable at best, but it does match their preferred outcome, so they probably just ran with it.)
Here's an extract:

"He told the BBC: "We have been dealing with a totally new area. We've been trying to help an investigation based on a single signal once an hour from an aircraft that didn't include any GPS data, any time and distance information."So this really was a bit of a shot in the dark and it's to the credit of our scientific team that they came up and managed to model this."
Mr McLaughlin continued: "They managed to find a way in which to say just a single ping can be used to say the plane was both powered up and travelling, and then by a process of elimination - comparing it to other known flights - establish that it went south."
A spokeswoman for the AAIB said it could not comment on the investigation, but confirmed: "As set out by the Malaysian prime minister, we have been working with the UK company Inmarsat, using satellite data to determine the area on which to focus the search."

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall, from the University of Southampton, told the BBC: "The algorithms and the techniques [Inmarsat] have applied to try and locate - to within a certain area - where the last transmission was made is really quite phenomenal - but also quite tragic because it does show this plane was heading to an open area of ocean."
He continued: "They've probably crammed almost a year's worth of research into maybe a couple of weeks, so it's not a routine calculation they would ever, ever make.
"They've been looking at all the signals they have, all the recordings they have, and processing that many times over to try and pinpoint where the plane's signal came from. Technologically it's really quite astounding."

BBC News - UK firm behind Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 breakthrough

Why incorrect?

 

[browski]

Why incorrect?

Why correct?

 

[defurax]

If you fully read the BBC article, you can quickly come to the conclusion that this new satellite data will be found to be almost impossible to be correct. (Whilst I hope it is correct, it appears to be untested and extremely unreliable at best, but it does match their preferred outcome, so they probably just ran with it.)
Here's an extract:

"He told the BBC: "We have been dealing with a totally new area. We've been trying to help an investigation based on a single signal once an hour from an aircraft that didn't include any GPS data, any time and distance information."So this really was a bit of a shot in the dark and it's to the credit of our scientific team that they came up and managed to model this."
Mr McLaughlin continued: "They managed to find a way in which to say just a single ping can be used to say the plane was both powered up and travelling, and then by a process of elimination - comparing it to other known flights - establish that it went south."
A spokeswoman for the AAIB said it could not comment on the investigation, but confirmed: "As set out by the Malaysian prime minister, we have been working with the UK company Inmarsat, using satellite data to determine the area on which to focus the search."

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall, from the University of Southampton, told the BBC: "The algorithms and the techniques [Inmarsat] have applied to try and locate - to within a certain area - where the last transmission was made is really quite phenomenal - but also quite tragic because it does show this plane was heading to an open area of ocean."
He continued: "They've probably crammed almost a year's worth of research into maybe a couple of weeks, so it's not a routine calculation they would ever, ever make.
"They've been looking at all the signals they have, all the recordings they have, and processing that many times over to try and pinpoint where the plane's signal came from. Technologically it's really quite astounding."

BBC News - UK firm behind Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 breakthrough

Why asking an oceanographer? Maybe an astrophysicist would have a better idea of how complex working with low intensity signals in the middle of nowhere (i.e universe) can be...

 

[Robbi]

Why correct?

They used the satellite pings to identify the trajectory arcs and rough speed, then used Doppler shift to determine general direction of travel. Seems like a quite reasonable example of deductive reasoning. Can't vouch for accuracy but seems a quite clever use of indirect data.