NBN Discussion

[whatmeworry]

Your bias is showing somewhat.

The NBN was well behind and well over budget long before it was inherited, and, as with most policies of that government, the budget was grossly underestimated.

Where did you come up with this HFC fiction? The current HFC cabling will support far in excess of 1Gbps. And as for 'coughpy', HFC provides high speed broadband to a large proportion of the world, including the U.S., who enjoy some of the fastest and cheapest internet in the world.

Stop drinking the LNP kool-aid. 1Gbps maybe if I am one metre from the node and I am the only person on that node at 3 am.

This from former ex-BT CTO: "FTTN a huge mistake”

“Fibre to the cabinet is one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made,” he said. “It ties a knot in the cable in terms of bandwidth and imposes huge unreliability risks … It is a shame, but I understand why people have made that decision. They have made it worldwide, by the way.”

There were a range of problems with FTTN-style rollouts, according to Cochrane. To start with, he said, it was easy for the streetside cabinets to be vandalised. “Once the local bandits have recognised that there is a car battery in the bottom, you can bet your bottom dollar that a crowbar will be out and the battery will keep disappearing,” he said.
Other problems, he added, went to the speeds which FTTN offered (generally considered to be up to 80Mbps at the moment, although they may be extended in future) compared with fibre, which will in future off 1Gbps on Australia’s NBN infrastructure. “What are the leaders doing? There is Sweden in greater Europe, and in the Far East you have Korea, Japan and China. They have a minimum level of 100 Mbps. That is where they start,” Cochrane said.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Stop drinking the LNP kool-aid. 1Gbps maybe if I am one metre from the node and I am the only person on that node at 3 am.

This from former ex-BT CTO: "FTTN a huge mistake”

You have just confused two entirely different technologies, although a similar concept.

HFC will deliver over 1Gbps quite some distance from the node.

FTTN over copper pairs less so, but still easily in the hundreds of Mbps.

And BT is hardly the pinnacle of global broadband provider

 

[serfty]

... then guts the FTTP because he and the LNP miscalculated that the MTM would be significantly cheaper. ...

I guess if someone states something often enough, even though it's incorrect, they may think it will become fact.

Yesterday I saw Shorten state to the effect that the revised NBN is costing twice as that of the ALP ... anyone who truly believes that has indeed succumbed to the "kool-aid".

 

[drsmithy]

I guess if someone states something often enough, even though it's incorrect, they may think it will become fact.

Yesterday I saw Shorten state to the effect that the revised NBN is costing twice that the of the ALP ... anyone who truly believes that has indeed succumbed to the "kool-aid".

It's as accurate as the Liberal Party's claims about it would cost, so it seems fair.

 

[DC3]

I'm not sure how I can calculate the cost of the NBN. That would be impossible, for me.

 

[JessicaTam]

I'm not sure how I can calculate the cost of the NBN. That would be impossible, for me.

I think that unless both models were built at the same time (e.g. FTTH in MEL and FTTN in SYD) we will never know the true cost comparison.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I'm not sure how I can calculate the cost of the NBN. That would be impossible, for me.

Yes a very difficult project to plan and coordinate. Given the cost blowout for major infrastructure projects of known designs such as bridges etc is often 50-70%, a cost blowout of a project with lots of unknowns of 'only' 50-100% for the original FTTP plan seemed perfectly reasonable to me. Look at the cost blowouts on the MIKI scheme or the QLD health department payroll schemes and they 'should' have been quite straight forward based on overseas examples.

So sad that one of the real semi future-proof infrastructure schemes needed for the future of the country was cruelled by cynical visionless politicians just acing to get into power for sociopathic reasons.

 

[whatmeworry]

Malcolm Turnbull to go down as the worst communications Minister ever.

It’s true that Labor’s near-universal fibre vision for the NBN came with a fistfall of flaws. It tied Australia’s largest ever infrastructure project to a brand new, untested startup, it abandoned any pretence of bipartisan policy development on a long-term project that would span multiple Governments, and it chronically underestimated the complexity and effort required in actually rolling out optic fibre cables to almost every house and office in Australia.
However, the strength of the policy was always that it would have laid the foundation for the next century of world-class telecommunications infrastructure in this country, fuelling the development of a massive digital economy and better health, education, business and social outcomes. Along the way, it would also have completely broken Telstra’s stranglehold on market competition.
Turnbull’s appalling Multi-Technology Mix approach to the NBN will, in sharp contrast, set Australia significantly back.
The policy will result in massive cash windfalls to the likes of Telstra and Optus, allowing Australia’s two major telcos to offload their outdated copper and HFC cable infrastructure at a premium cost to the taxpayer. Meanwhile, that same taxpayer will face a legacy of decades of technical failures stemming from Turnbull’s insistence that copper cables and 25Mbps speeds are good enough for Australia’s broadband needs.

https://delimiter.com.au/2015/09/14...ustralias-worst-ever-communications-minister/

 

[jb747]

A random (and rather biased) article on the Internet. It must be true....

 

[eastwest101]

Are you still quoting Delimiter after Turnbulls demolition of them years ago? Lets disassembe that:

It’s true that Labor’s near-universal fibre vision for the NBN came with a fistfall of flaws. It tied Australia’s largest ever infrastructure project to a brand new, untested startup, it abandoned any pretence of bipartisan policy development on a long-term project that would span multiple Governments, and it chronically underestimated the complexity and effort required in actually rolling out optic fibre cables to almost every house and office in Australia.

And it was never properly costed by its proponent, mismanaged and years behind schedule. Pretty fatal flaws - but onwards they go....

However, the strength of the policy was always that it would have laid the foundation for the next century of world-class telecommunications infrastructure in this country, fuelling the development of a massive digital economy and better health, education, business and social outcomes.

Insert misty eyed cargo cult FTTH fiction here - no - downloading Game of Thrones at home in your pajamas in 25sec compared to 60 sec is not the development of a massive digital economy, sure we do stuff online, now, like a lot of other country in the world - with a mix of technologies that private industry builds. And if Conroys final FTTN plan had ever been completed we would have been in such a financial hole that no-one could have afforded to use it anyway.

Along the way, it would also have completely broken Telstra’s stranglehold on market competition.

First of all - what stranglehold? Telstra already has many competitors, and by creating a new monopoly called the NBN? Way to break up that supposed Telstra monopoly!

Turnbull’s appalling Multi-Technology Mix approach to the NBN will, in sharp contrast, set Australia significantly back.

Setting the country back by making Telstra and Optus pull serviceable HFC Fibre out of the ground? Yes I agree that would set the country back.

The policy will result in massive cash windfalls to the likes of Telstra and Optus, allowing Australia’s two major telcos to offload their outdated copper and HFC cable infrastructure at a premium cost to the taxpayer.

Because Stephen Conroy threw his toys out of the cot with his original FTTN NBN and threatened to force Telstra to break up in typical vindictive Conroy style. If you are going to confiscate your competitors infrastructure seems fair (and is the law) that some form of compensation could happen.

Meanwhile, that same taxpayer will face a legacy of decades of technical failures stemming from...

Stephen Conroys stuff ups - yes the original Ros Kelly white board guy, Mike Kaiser hiring, branch stacking and Kerry Stokes ski holiday and cutting FTA TV licence fees and Public Interest Media Advocate Stephen Conroy. So yes - the taxpayer has a bit to be grumpy about with the NBN process which was stuffed up at every stage of the process by Captain Underpants.

 

[Hvr]

[h=1]Sky Muster: NBN's fancy satellite could explode, is as big as an elephant and was initially unloved[/h]

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The National Broadband Network's first satellite is about to be launched into space. Here are seven things you need to know about "Sky Muster", including how it was named by a primary school girl and why Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull never wanted it to blast off.

Read more: Sky Muster: NBN's fancy satellite could explode, is as big as an elephant and was initially unloved
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And something is starting to happen for the residents of the bush re the NBN.

 

[moa999]

Also reportedly the first real FTTN connections are going live at present.

And for anyone interested in the SKyMuster Satellite launch
6am AEST - Live Stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc31XcnfQCM

 

[Foreigner]

No mishap with today's launch. The insurer would have keenly followed the event.

Today's Fin Review reports "the cost of connecting about 3 per cent of the population to the NBN accounts for almost 10 per cent of the total $45b to $56b budget - people in urban areas are subsidising their remote counterparts."

 

[straitman]

No mishap with today's launch. The insurer would have keenly followed the event.

Today's Fin Review reports "the cost of connecting about 3 per cent of the population to the NBN accounts for almost 10 per cent of the total $45b to $56b budget - people in urban areas are subsidising their remote counterparts."

That's a pleasant change.

 

[whatmeworry]

Jump in net downloads with launch of Netflick.

[h=1]Netflix launch brings Australia's biggest ever download deluge[/h] [h=2]Bureau of Stats data reveals 230-TERABYTE jump in downloads[/h]

Netflix launch brings Australia's biggest ever download deluge • The Register

 

[RAM]

Jump in net downloads with launch of Netflick.



Netflix launch brings Australia's biggest ever download deluge • The Register

Well doesn't that make all the tens of billions in spending worthwhile - we may finally see Australia download more non-cough videos than cough.

Good old Murdoch is so happy his cost of doing business in Australia (Foxtel) has plummeted thanks to the NBN doing the connections etc for him in the future.

Good to see the $300mn + of 'declared' political donations (in 2012/13) continue to produce dividends.

Reminds me of the old saying, "He who pays the piper calls the tune!"

 

[drsmithy]

Well doesn't that make all the tens of billions in spending worthwhile - we may finally see Australia download more non-cough videos than cough.

Good old Murdoch is so happy his cost of doing business in Australia (Foxtel) has plummeted thanks to the NBN doing the connections etc for him in the future.

Good to see the $300mn + of 'declared' political donations (in 2012/13) continue to produce dividends.

Reminds me of the old saying, "He who pays the piper calls the tune!"

Hence the reason we have a broken FTTN design only really useful for consumption.

 

[moa999]

No we have MTM because it was cheaper, and it was different to what Labor had.

Now that Turnbull doesn't have to be negative about everything Labor did I expect some parts (particularly FTTN) to be changed - FTTB and HFC remain reasonable solutions IMHO, but FTTN will be poor for people >400m from the node

 

[codash1099]

Jump in net downloads with launch of Netflick.



Netflix launch brings Australia's biggest ever download deluge • The Register

It's certainly sucked the life out of my ADSL+ speeds. No NBN of any sort in the foreseeable future in my (inner Perth) suburb.

 

[whatmeworry]

It's certainly sucked the life out of my ADSL+ speeds. No NBN of any sort in the foreseeable future in my (inner Perth) suburb.

Now during school holidays I notice adsl 2 speeds are shocking, plus most evenings.