NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

If in Jindabyne then unless I am mistaken it will be fixed wireless (aka WiFi), in which case don't think 100/40 is available. And even when it is, refer to the posts above about contention, as fixed wireless faces contention issues too. WiFi spectrum is rather limited.

Jindabyne township is FTTN. Surrounds are FW

300m (walking via Google Maps) to the pillar which is next to the Node

 

[Quickstatus]

Interesting article, ignore the headline

https://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and...-have-forced-adequate-cvc-purchase-claim.html

 

[moa999]

He is already on 50/20 so is not too bad.
I might have to reimburse him for using his data allowance and boost him to the next level 100/40

If he's already on 50/20 but only getting 48/11, then going to 100/40 won't make squat of a difference.

As mentioned before - internal line conditions can make a BIG difference, people have seen speeds doubled and tripled by ensuring they have a clean line to a single point.

See this growing thread on Whirlpool
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2598431

 

[moa999]

Which are the bulk....

Don't think the bulk.
Some nodes in high density areas would have no-one above 500m.

The max to get 12/1 seems to be around 120pm, so even assuming normal distribution the average there would be 600m

 

[Quickstatus]

As it is my friends house.,It's not my place to go tweaking his sockets and wires.
Maybe I won't get much better than 48/11 by going from 50/20 to 100/40 but as I'll be offering to pay for the extra boost for 1 month only it's a no brainer if only to see what the setup at my friends place can do. If I can get 15 up I'll potentially reduce upload time by 33%.

ill report back with a speed test

 

[moa999]

I'm just suggesting you are better paying for a licensed cabler (not yourself) rather than a speed boost.

If the line don't support it, it don't support it

 

[Quickstatus]

As I said. Not my house. It's not a good look to tell friend - "before I come down do you mind if I get a cabler to inspect your place to see if I can get better internet at your place". My visit is not to get a faster upload but to visit friend and his family and go skiing. The data file upload is a side project as we have been chatting about NBN.

Speed boost extra for 1 month will cost less than a service call by a cabler.
If the line does not support it then Telstra said they would refund and remove the extra boost.

I suspect the line will support the extra speed boost - lets see

 

[PLANT]

What about 4G via mobile hotspot.... As a back up?

 

[Quickstatus]

Telstra sells a NBN with a 4G backup in the event NBN service goes down. But it only cuts in if usual service goes kaput.

but generally using a 4G mobile hotspot is very expensive for data intensive applications like backup to cloud especially in this. Case for a 500Gb data file. This would cost after 10GB allowance a 490Gb upload costing $4900. ($10 per GB)

 

[drsmithy]

Telstra sells a NBN with a 4G backup in the event NBN service goes down. But it only cuts in if usual service goes kaput.

but generally using a 4G mobile hotspot is very expensive for data intensive applications like backup to cloud especially in this. Case for a 500Gb data file. This would cost after 10GB allowance a 490Gb upload costing $4900. ($10 per GB)

Optus will currently give you 140GB/mo for $70 (albeit locked into a 12mo contract). Or 200Gb/mo for $80 (albeit throttled to 12/1Mb).

Excess data above that is $10/GB, but you could have multiple subscriptions and just roll from one to the other as each exhausts its included data allowance.

IMHO the biggest barriers to widespread 4G broadband uptake are a) low data quotas and b) very poor cost control facilities (eg: whereas most fixed line broadband throttle you back to something like 128k after your quota is exhausted, mobile broadband providers generally don't do this and then stack absurd overage charges on top like $10/GB).

(That first Optus deal is actually pretty good, relatively speaking - if I wasn't in line to have FTTN available in the next month or two I'd probably grab a couple of those and roll them over by quota as described above. I get reasonable Optus 4G performance at home (30-40Mb down 5-10 up), albeit subject to the usual cellular variability, jitter, etc.)

 

[Quickstatus]

As I said ITS NOT MY HOUSE, nor is it my account with telstra. Im just a visitor borrowing some bandwidth who is willing to pay forthe extra boost while Im there.
Any suggestions on how else to boost upload speed, while welcome, really is irrelevant because ITS NOT MY HOUSE!

Re 4G optus mobile hotspot its just not worthwhile because while Ive got a 500gb uppload to do, I have already been doing bit by bit at the end of the billing period for the hotspot/mobile combo account. Usually the combined allowance left over on the last day is about +/-12GB (shared from hotspot and 6 mobiles). I have managed to upload about 200GB in the last year or so, and hoping that the NBN will take me over the line at my friends place (= ITS NOT MY HOUSE) for the last 500GB. The other thing about Optus is that at my place in Sydney the 4G signal does not exist - 2 bar 3G. Telstra has 1 bar 4G signal at my place.

I find Im adding about 20-30 GB per year to the data folder. Still thinking about how Ill manage the folder once I hit the 1TB ceiling at Dropbox. Maybe Ill just pull the older files say older than 10 years into an archive backup harddrive mirror array.

 

[JessicaTam]

As the available bandwidth is affected by the number of connection, is there a way to find out how many connections my* node has got/will have?

*I am not on NBN yet, just doing my research.

Quickstatus: Do you know someone who works for a business with spare capacity to upload your files. A portable HDD attached to their computer to upload over a few weeks at night/after hours might do the trick.

 

[Quickstatus]

An FTTN hosts up to 200 connections. And the backhaul from Node to POi is 1Gps fibre

FW tower hosts up to 150 connections but it may wireless backhaul to another tower at 300Mbps and so on possibly via another 1-2 towers before to a final tower which has 1Gbps fibre backhaul to POi

My kids school has 100/100 non NBN FW. That's an idea too!

 

[jb747]

I unloaded a terabyte using various hotels around the world. Some were much faster than your friend’s house. It took over a year.

 

[Quickstatus]

As the available bandwidth is affected by the number of connection, is there a way to find out how many connections my* node has got/will have?

*I am not on NBN yet, just doing my research.

Typically early in the Node's commissioned life early NBN customers will find they have very good speed close to the advertised "up to" speed. However when the Node is fully connected, a bottleneck will occur. 200 users connecting to a 1Gbps = 5Mbps if everyone is online at the same time which for some is worse than their ADSL. Apparently some (or all nodes) can be upgraded to 10Gbps backhaul.

The FW experience is more stark. 150 connections and 300Mbps backhaul to the next tower.
But you may have 2 towers backhauling to a fibre connected tower. So 300 users from the first 2 towers at 300Mbps = 1Mbps if everyone is online and tower maxed out.
And the 150 customers on the 3rd tower which has fibre backhaul will share that with the 300 from the other 2 towers and so will only get 1000/450 = 2.2Mbps at best.
Reading other forums it appears that some towers are fully occupied and are experiencing contention (=congestion) which cannot be solved by the telcos provisioning enough CVC.
Worse is some places have towers backhauling in series at 300Mbps!! End tower users gets 0.5Mbps, Middle tower users gets 0.5Mbps, First tower with fibre backhaul gets 2.2Mbps. (Again assuming everyone is online and downloading)
Of course not everyone will connect at the same time. To get 40Mbps at 300Mbps backhaul = only 7 users (out of 150) can download at 40Mbps. Scary

While the lack of CVC is an issue the NBN is also not provisioning enough. Their policy is to meet their 93% of Aussies by 2020 and after that NBN part 2 involves upgrading the network.

 

[drsmithy]

Quickstatus: Do you know someone who works for a business with spare capacity to upload your files. A portable HDD attached to their computer to upload over a few weeks at night/after hours might do the trick.

+1

Pushed 20T of data up into cloud storage through our unmetered work connection over the course of a few months. Have also regularly used cafe and similar wifi while on holidays to update 10s of Gb of photos.

Just waiting for NBN to arrive so I can ditch my local NASes (more specifically, relegate them to offsite last-recourse backup/disaster recovery devices).

 

[moa999]

Speed boost extra for 1 month will cost less than a service call by a cabler.
If the line does not support it then Telstra said they would refund and remove the extra boost.

50/20 sync speeds should be 53/22 or thereabouts.
If they are only syncing at 48/11 then moving up to 100/40 plan won't change a thing.

If 48/11 is a speedtest then maybe some room for improvement.

Was simply suggesting a cabler might be the only way to get faster speeds, appreciate that it isn't your property.

 

[Quickstatus]

50/20 sync speeds should be 53/22 or thereabouts.
If they are only syncing at 48/11 then moving up to 100/40 plan won't change a thing.

If 48/11 is a speedtest then maybe some room for improvement.

Telstra knows what the sync speed is but will never tell you
anyway going down tonight so will be able to tell soon. And he has a spare ethernet LAN port on the modem I can connect directly to.

48/11 is apparently an Ookla speed test

I did ask friend about the phone socket. Apparently there is only one phone socket and its connected to only the the telstra VDSL modem. The townhouse he is in is about 10 years old in a street that is relatively new too. So I would imagine the copper in the street is fairly new.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Telstra knows what the sync speed is but will never tell you
anyway going down tonight so will be able to tell soon. And he has a spare ethernet LAN port on the modem I can connect directly to.

48/11 is apparently an Ookla speed test

You can find out your sync speed by logging into your modem using a browser.

 

[Quickstatus]

You can find out your sync speed by logging into your modem using a browser.

Thanks for the info. Will let Jindy Mate know.