Nice wines I have drunk recently - Red or White

Normally can't stand Chardonnay but really enjoyed a few Napa chardies. Even told one winerie that I was definitely not a white drinker but loved theirs and he said it's one of the best compliments they can get...
If you ever see an Alexander Valley Robert Young vineyard Chardonnay, grab it with both hands and feet. Brilliant variety. We sought them out on last trip to Sonoma. The variety is actually Robert Young clone which was named after the winery and orig wine maker. Chateau St Jean also gets grapes from them but it's nowhere near the quality of the RYV wines. Luscious.

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Just opened the Hanna's Swing and had a sip before decanting. So smooth. Wishing I'd bought more.
 
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All this talk of Victorian Chardonnay led me to this tonight.

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Nice but maybe a little too luscious. Maybe needs more time.
 
My local . Try to find the neighbouring Spring Vale.

OK, sommelier RF, I decided to send half of this to the angels tonight - and to remind you of home while you force yourself around S America working up a prodigious Mendoza Malbec and Valle de Uco Pinot Noir thirst ;). It also seemed appropriate given that the Freycinet was 2009 as well and that is regarded as a very good year in E Tas.

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No need to tell RF, but Spring Vale and Freycinet are only a few clicks apart. They were both B* Good wines. The Spring Vale was more fragrant and lighter-bodied than the Freycinet, although both had that typical E Tas juicy mouthfeel rather than a Central Otago plushness, Martinborough body or Geelong earthiness. They had separate characters, but I wouldn't rate one over the other. I suspect PJM would favour the Freycinet.

My suspicion is that Pinot Noir newbies, or those that have had their senses abused - and, unfortunately, their prejudices reinforced - by el cheapo PN would be more swayed to be convinced that PN is not wishy-washy swill by the CO types than the E Tas types.

Pinot Noir is always a learning exercise - but once you're in the swing of things, and with wisely-chosen food (I had the Spring Vale with some beef satay sticks - worked a treat), the E Tas types are crackers.
 
A very enjoyable Vermentino with grilled barramundi last night.

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A little addendum to this.

This Vermentino, which we had a restaurant last night, so impressed us that I did a bit of Googling today. Interestingly, it came up at Dan's - but they don't actually stock it. It's available for order online at Dan's (case (6) only) shipped directly from Cellarhand, the importers. A mere $7 for delivery.

Maybe others are aware of this system, but it was new to me. I'm impressed.
 
Would a Smith & Shaw Chardonnay and a Petaluma Riesling be considered good examples of their type? I tried these today and I found the Riesling sort of ok but didn't like the Chardonnay
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I think I will stick with the Veuve and Louis Rorderer
 
Would a Smith & Shaw Chardonnay and a Petaluma Riesling be considered good examples of their type? I tried these today and I found the Riesling sort of ok but didn't like the Chardonnay
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I think I will stick with the Veuve and Louis Rorderer

Shaw & Smith Chardonnay is very well regarded, but I wasn't impressed when I last tasted it. For me, there are nicer Chardonnays for the money (~$40), e.g. Mountadam High Eden.


Petaluma is very well regarded as a brand, but not really known for riesling, as far as I'm aware (happy to be proven wrong). More known for Chardonnay and reds.
 
Would a Smith & Shaw Chardonnay and a Petaluma Riesling be considered good examples of their type? I tried these today and I found the Riesling sort of ok but didn't like the Chardonnay
I think I will stick with the Veuve and Louis Rorderer

I'd be happy with that selection :) Yum, yum and yum in my (not so) professional opinion :)
 
Would a Smith & Shaw Chardonnay and a Petaluma Riesling be considered good examples of their type? I tried these today and I found the Riesling sort of ok but didn't like the Chardonnay.

I like the Shaw and Smith quite a lot and all of the Petaluma yellow labels are very well made wines.
 
While looking at Amazon for Kindle books on Oregon and the Willamette valley for upcoming trip in May, I came across this nice little tome on New Zealand Pinot re our conversations last week. It's quite well done with sufficient details and small profiles on many NZ wineries. Maybe of interest to addicts.

New Zealand Pinot Noir by Jamie Goode for $7.99.
 
Would a Smith & Shaw Chardonnay and a Petaluma Riesling be considered good examples of their type? I tried these today and I found the Riesling sort of ok but didn't like the Chardonnay
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I think I will stick with the Veuve and Louis Rorderer

The S&S Chard is quite a big/malo ferment number that may attack the senses in it's youth, particularly for the uninitiated. Early "show" chards had a tendency to be over oaked and "in ya face". Modern Aus chards are a lot more restained. They need time for the oak to integrate. Give them a few years and they will reward. The Hanlin Hill riesling is a solid wine (but not stellar IMHO). A good Aus riesling has generous fruit, but needs an acidic backbone to drive the ferment. Could last 30+ years cellared appropriately. (Old plonky Ben Eans from the 70's under screw cap reportedly come good with 20 years in the time capsule!) In time the acidity diminishes and secondary honey/marmalade characteristics develop. The steely minerality will decline. I appreciate most forms of Aus riesling and much prefer them to NZ Savvies. MrsSed
likes 'em young. I like them a little more developed. ;)
 
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The S&S Chard is quite a big/malo ferment number that may attack the senses in it's youth, particularly for the uninitiated. Early "show" chards had a tendency to be over oaked and "in ya face". Modern Aus chards are a lot more restained. They need time for the oak to integrate. Give them a few years and they will reward. I appreciate most forms of Aus riesling and much prefer them to NZ Savvies. MrsSed
likes 'em young. I like them a little more developed. ;)

I'm surprised that the M3 is 'old style'. I've read a bit about it but never tried it (a bit of ABC ;) in recent years - and that's living on the doorstep of one of the world's great Chardonnay regions in Margaret River).

Like MrsSed, I like certain things young - and Riesling is one of them ;):p. At the recent Howard Park Riesling tasting we had in PER, all the wines were sensational, but in the end, as I said to the group: with a plate of fresh oysters, give me the 2014! I sat and struggled to think what I would eat and truly enjoy with those more aged.

My attitude is that, these days, it's pretty hard to technically fault most wines (if they are technically bad, the winery will go out of business fast). Always in the back of my mind is: "Now, what would I eat with this to really make everything come together and really shine?"

Aaahh - the trials and tribulations of being a contrarian...:rolleyes::mrgreen:.
 
My attitude is that, these days, it's pretty hard to technically fault most wines (if they are technically bad, the winery will go out of business fast). Always in the back of my mind is: "Now, what would I eat with this to really make everything come together and really shine?"

Aaahh - the trials and tribulations of being a contrarian...:rolleyes::mrgreen:.

I was going to be smart then and suggest you try Fish Tail wines.. but then I googled them and found this From their facebook page in 2013:
Fish Tail Wines has SOLD OUT of wines and the Cellar Door has now CLOSED!!
Fish Tails would like to sincerely THANK all of our customer for your loyal patronage over the last 10 years we have had an amazing journey with all of you. Fish Tails has enjoyed making and sharing our wines with you. Thankyou again, John, Bev, Michael and Amy!! frown emoticon

So it looks like you might be right...
 
I was going to be smart then and suggest you try Fish Tail wines.. but then I googled them and found this From their facebook page in 2013:
Fish Tail Wines has SOLD OUT of wines and the Cellar Door has now CLOSED!!
Fish Tails would like to sincerely THANK all of our customer for your loyal patronage over the last 10 years we have had an amazing journey with all of you. Fish Tails has enjoyed making and sharing our wines with you. Thankyou again, John, Bev, Michael and Amy!! frown emoticon

So it looks like you might be right...

I'd never tried any of their wines - probably a good thing? ;)
 
Interesting snippet: The Antinori family in Tuscany has been producing wine since 1385. Now, that would be a nice vertical tasting :!:. Line 'em up Daver6 ;):p.
 
Interesting snippet: The Antinori family in Tuscany has been producing wine since 1385. Now, that would be a nice vertical tasting :!:. Line 'em up Daver6 ;):p.
Yes, would be interesting but most before 1980 would probably be undrinkabe to a modern palette.

During the Rinascimento the average wine consumption was some 3-7 litres a day, hence the artistic explosion.:) Doesn't mean it was as palatable as we would like. (Some historical sources suggest that the wine was low in alcohol but that's proven to be incorrect since the natural ferments achieve 11-13%.) It's fair to say that during the Rinascimento most were 'sozzled' for a large part of the time.:)

Most Italian wines before the '60s were for local consumption, for drinking in a few months after vendemmia and not for storage. The real changes came in the '70s and '80s with pioneers such as the Barolo Boys etc.

But I agree with JohnM, line 'em Daver6 and we will come!:)
 
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Yes, would be interesting but most before 1980 would probably be undrinkabe to a modern palette.

During the Rinascimento the average wine consumption was some 3-7 litres a day, hence the artistic explosion.:) Doesn't mean it was as palatable as we would like. (Some historical sources suggest that the wine was low in alcohol but that's proven to be incorrect since the natural ferments achieve 11-13%.) It's fair to say that during the Rinascimento most were 'sozzled' for a large part of the time.:)

Most Italian wines before the '60s were for local consumption, for drinking in a few months after vendemmia and not for storage. The real changes came in the '70s and '80s with pioneers such as the Barolo Boys etc.

But I agree with JohnM, line 'em Daver6 and we will come!:)

Ah ha - I knew I would flush out our resident Italian wineophile yet again with more absolutely fascinating information! :D Certainly - and I imagine the old image of 'plonk' in Australia must have derived largely from the Italian immigrants with their drink within the year before next harvest (mi scusi - vendemmia) wines .

Continuing on the Italian theme, I went a little off-piste tonight with half of this with slow-cooked lamb shanks:

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Nero d'Avola is the main red variety of Sicily.

Typical of most European wines, it is must-have-food-with-it. The astringency was there, but in no way confronting, but was sufficient with the flat flavour profile (compared with 'sunshine in a bottle' Australian wines) that food is really needed with every mouthful - but that's what really brings it into its own.

Worked an absolute treat with lamb shanks a la JohnM :).
 
Ah ha - I knew I would flush out our resident Italian wineophile yet again with more absolutely fascinating information! :D Certainly - and I imagine the old image of 'plonk' in Australia must have derived largely from the Italian immigrants with their drink within the year before next harvest (mi scusi - vendemmia) wines .

Continuing on the Italian theme, I went a little off-piste tonight with half of this with slow-cooked lamb shanks:

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Nero d'Avola is the main red variety of Sicily.

Typical of most European wines, it is must-have-food-with-it. The astringency was there, but in no way confronting, but was sufficient with the flat flavour profile (compared with 'sunshine in a bottle' Australian wines) that food is really needed with every mouthful - but that's what really brings it into its own.

Worked an absolute treat with lamb shanks a la JohnM :).
Probably the maturation in 50% Slavonian oak Botti (s) that did it! Excellent! Most interesting wine. Hope you weren't too off-piste after this one. 14% ( from the net) on the label but chissà ( who knows).
 
Probably the maturation in 50% Slavonian oak Botti (s) that did it! Excellent! Most interesting wine.

That would make sense.

It doesn't show in the pic, but it was 2011. I'd say it needs several years. Nero d'Avola has good aging capacity. I think I might get some more to set to slumber mode.

Slightly diverting, but I think it's wines like these that just fall into a heap in conventional wine tastings. It's hard to 'get them' without food.
 
So tonight is still 1992 but the cabernet.According to Tahbilk still at it's peak.Once again they are right.Beautiful,well balanced wine.
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The Tahbilk corks are always good quality.But enough of this fancy smancy glasses.The only glass to drink wine from is a big one!
 

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