" o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

[ninja-tim]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

Yes, SQ is not your friend on infant redemptions. I have done a few and they definitely hurt.

Hurt financially?

I've got a wedding to attend in Vietnam towards the end of the year for us and our 5 month old so I hope travelling with a young one won't be too hard and expensive Also want to book a suite flight to Europe before enhancements take place.



Anyways, just want to know for my situation if my calculations are correct in deciding to book now rather than after.

So I'm paying about 2.4% surcharge and earn 2pts(=2kf) per $ on my amex exp.
e.g. $1000 spend = 2000 MR = 2000 kf @ 2.4% = $24 surcharge (= $17.16 w/ tax deductions)
=> 1716cents/2000pts = 0.858c/pt => so that means I'm paying 0.858 cents per point right?

Pre-23rd March - OW F MEL-CDG = 112625 miles (after 15% discount) + $366 (carrier surcharge)
Post 23rd March - OW F MEL-CDG = 148000 miles
Difference = 35375 miles @ 0.858 cents = $303.52

Pre-23rd March - OW J MEL-SGN = 46750 miles (after 15% discount) + $223 (carrier surcharge)
Post 23rd March - OW J MEL-SGN = 58000 miles
Difference = 11250 miles @ 0.858 cents = $96.53

Does this mean I'm better off booking now as I'm better off by $62.48 (F MEL-CDG) and $126.47 (J MEL-SGN) cents for these OW bookings for 1 pax?

Also another query:
I did a mock booking and found Children revenue fares are no different to adult fairs and infants are 10% of adult fares. I thought Children were suppose to be discounted compared to adult?
Can you redeem miles for children and infants? if so what's the redemption rate like?

 

[hummel]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

Hurt financially?

I've got a wedding to attend in Vietnam towards the end of the year for us and our 5 month old so I hope travelling with a young one won't be too hard and expensive Also want to book a suite flight to Europe before enhancements take place.



Anyways, just want to know for my situation if my calculations are correct in deciding to book now rather than after.

So I'm paying about 2.4% surcharge and earn 2pts(=2kf) per $ on my amex exp.
e.g. $1000 spend = 2000 MR = 2000 kf @ 2.4% = $24 surcharge (= $17.16 w/ tax deductions)
=> 1716cents/2000pts = 0.858c/pt => so that means I'm paying 0.858 cents per point right?

Pre-23rd March - OW F MEL-CDG = 112625 miles (after 15% discount) + $366 (carrier surcharge)
Post 23rd March - OW F MEL-CDG = 148000 miles
Difference = 35375 miles @ 0.858 cents = $303.52

Pre-23rd March - OW J MEL-SGN = 46750 miles (after 15% discount) + $223 (carrier surcharge)
Post 23rd March - OW J MEL-SGN = 58000 miles
Difference = 11250 miles @ 0.858 cents = $96.53

Does this mean I'm better off booking now as I'm better off by $62.48 (F MEL-CDG) and $126.47 (J MEL-SGN) cents for these OW bookings for 1 pax?

Also another query:
I did a mock booking and found Children revenue fares are no different to adult fairs and infants are 10% of adult fares. I thought Children were suppose to be discounted compared to adult?
Can you redeem miles for children and infants? if so what's the redemption rate like?

I don't know when children pricing has ever been different to adult? They still take a seat so your miles cost is the same.

Infants I don't think you can redeem miles for and it's just a straight 10% of the revenue fare.

 

[LadyC]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

I never tried to book a child award redemption for an infant. Whilst expensive cash wise, I preferred to save the points for another holiday. As hummel mentioned, an infant award redemption is zero points and 10% cash revenue fare. This is one instance where having a return award may be better. QF/CX are much friendly to your bank balance on infant awards.

 

[ninja-tim]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

I don't know when children pricing has ever been different to adult?

Were you referring to revenue tickets or award tickets?

 

[Tiki]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

My use of SQ would either be for BNE-Asia or partner awards within South America. I have shied away and used UA (from my Chase Ink card) because of the fuel surcharges so I am glad they will be gone. What I wish they would get rid of is the backtracking rule. You can't get from Australia to half of the Indonesian airports like DPS and MDC without going through SIN but it won't let me book BNE-SIN-MDC as a single award.

 

[hummel]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

Were you referring to revenue tickets or award tickets?

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Either, over the years I've bought revenue fares and redeemed miles the cost of Adult and Child (Age 2+ I think) has been the same...

 

[ermen]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

Yes, SQ is not your friend on infant redemptions. I have done a few and they definitely hurt.

It's because you are buying a proper infant ticket with SQ...

 

[deva22]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

It's because you are buying a proper infant ticket with SQ...

Yes it hurts for sure. I did this for my infant on our trip to Europe this year. Worse still I booked 2x 1 way redemptions, so the infant tickets were 2x 1 way, even MORE expensive

 

[LadyC]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

It's because you are buying a proper infant ticket with SQ...

Yes, I understand that but not everyone else does. Just a word of warning for those not in the know. ...

 

[LadyC]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

Yes it hurts for sure. I did this for my infant on our trip to Europe this year. Worse still I booked 2x 1 way redemptions, so the infant tickets were 2x 1 way, even MORE expensive

If it makes you feel any better, I have also made this error

 

[ninja-tim]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

It's because you are buying a proper infant ticket with SQ...

What do you mean by proper?

 

[deva22]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

What do you mean by proper?

One assumes this means revenue ticket

 

[lovetravellingoz]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

For those booking now with the intention of transferring the date later I just read this post on Flyertalk:

I have called Krisflyer a couple of times and asked the same question: if i were to make a date change to my current already-ticketed booking after 23 March 2017, do I still have to top up the miles difference b/w the old chart/new chart and the answer was YES. I asked about the YQ that I paid for and I was told that it will be forfeited.


Could anyone please verify it? Do take my answer as a pinch of salt though

 

[BacchusMarsh]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

For those booking now with the intention of transferring the date later I just read this post on Flyertalk:

I really didn't think the post you quoted added anything substantive to the discussion. Do you consider it credible that you would be charged more miles *and* not have the YQ refunded?

I blame ignorance rather than conspiracy here, but also consider, what are the incentives for Krisflyer to tell people calling up with hypotheticals, "Right, that *is* a loophole, please exploit it to your heart's content"?

For me the downside risk here per flight booked is USD30. The upside would be saving the points (which I personally find harder to generate than cash), plus that feeling of having scored another point or two in the game. So I'm happy to risk it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

I really didn't think the post you quoted added anything substantive to the discussion. Do you consider it credible that you would be charged more miles *and* not have the YQ refunded?

I blame ignorance rather than conspiracy here, but also consider, what are the incentives for Krisflyer to tell people calling up with hypotheticals, "Right, that *is* a loophole, please exploit it to your heart's content"?

For me the downside risk here per flight booked is USD30. The upside would be saving the points (which I personally find harder to generate than cash), plus that feeling of having scored another point or two in the game. So I'm happy to risk it.

I posted it as I thought that some may be interested, and each can assess it for themselves. As the poster themselves stated take it with a pinch of salt.



As I have often posted CSR's often are not fully informed, nor are they always accurate.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

For those booking now with the intention of transferring the date later I just read this post on Flyertalk:

Originally Posted by cocaman I have called Krisflyer a couple of times and asked the same question: if i were to make a date change to my current already-ticketed booking after 23 March 2017, do I still have to top up the miles difference b/w the old chart/new chart and the answer was YES. I asked about the YQ that I paid for and I was told that it will be forfeited.

Could anyone please verify it? Do take my answer as a pinch of salt though

Totally incorrect - TOTALLY

And TBH this does nothing but potentially further confuse those who might already be slightly confused.

FTR - Bookings ticketed pre rdpt rate change can readily have flt date changed to future date without incurring ANY pts or $ penalty.

The only penalty you will incur is if you require cabin class change and if so original ticket will be cancelled with ALL pts and taxes already paid refunded in full and new ticket issued at revised rdpt rate - you will require to have sufficient pts in your KF acc to achieve this - this is UNEQUIVOCAL.

As for Flyer Talk - what a f'ing waste of time that site is - it is frequented by rude, arrogant, uninformed numb nuts - I will never post on that site again.

 

[serfty]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

..
Wish Qantas would go down the same path....

Careful of what you wish for - QFF would probably double the points cost on international sectors where they would cut the YQ/YR ...

 

[cove]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

I can handle the SQ changes easily.
The upgrade to a QF J paid for ticket is now 113,000 QF points to go in First SYD-LAX-SYD. Only know that due to a double status credits run I booked last week.

 

[NoName]

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Ok so have read the last several pages and am liking the idea of using the star alliance award to bring down the pts cost post enhancement. However I'm a complete novice when it comes to the rules so am going to pose what is most likely a pretty simple question.

Was looking at JFK-SYD/MEL in suites mid 2018 however would need to travel from LAX/SFO-JFK a few days before anyway so could easily make this a star alliance award. One way award from USA-AUS comes in at 127.5k pts per the award chart.

Questions are:
- Award chart indicates that one way awards with stopovers would be charged based on individual segments ie LAX-JFK + JFK-SYD. However T&C seem to indicate to me that perhaps you could pay USD100 for a stopover. Which is is? 127.5k pts + copayment + USD100 stopover fee OR the higher pts cost?

-Would LAX/SFO-JFK stopover JFK-SIN-SYD/MEL be a permitted itinerary?

Thanks

 

[dajop]

re: " o noes! " - Singapore enhances redemption rates

-Would LAX/SFO-JFK stopover JFK-SIN-SYD/MEL be a permitted itinerary?

On a star alliance itinerary, no I think this would be backtracking, travelling 16,000 miles to cover a 7,500 mile point to point distance. SQ have fairly strict rules around backtracking on star alliance awards, that don't necessarily apply to SQ only awards.