Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altitude)

[VHOEJ]

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I have to wonder whether DJ would actually want the damaged goods..?

They won't. There would be no value in them buying them - no one is going to book with them in the future, the brand is shot. DJ wouldn't be stupid enough to buy it.

 

[LiamR]

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If we take out the brand, say the airline went bust. Would Jetstar be interested in the purchasing the aircraft?

I wonder what condition they are in...

 

[oz_mark]

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...and from the boss:

But Tiger Airways chief executive Tony Davis has this afternoon rejected the claims, saying he does not accept there are immediate risks to air safety.


"We don't [accept there are immediate risks]. We've worked very closely with CASA," he said.

Tiger boss rejects safety risk claims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[jakeseven7]

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There is something very interesting on Tigers website at the moment. On their disruption page, it is linking up to Virgin Australia.

Even an article from Plane Talking:
Tiger Airways turns to Virgin Australia to carry its shame | Plane Talking

Oh wow - I'm sure Virgin are thrilled to be linked more closely with Tiger. If I were them I'd be calling Tony Davis and getting that pulled ASAP.

 

[straitman]

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+1 Tiger looking very sick, as Ben Sandilands noted

Tiger Airways turns to Virgin Australia to carry its shame | Plane Talking

Noone bought Ansett. You can get to the point where you're unsaleable, just the assets to pick over.

Cheers skip

Two points:

1. I have absolutely no faith in anything Ben Sandilands says,
2. Ansett was a very different proposition to Tiger as Ansett had already had its assets stripped.

 

[concorde71]

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Ansett was a very different proposition to Tiger as Ansett had already had its assets stripped.

To a certain extent, however, I dont think Tiger have assets to strip. All A/C leased etc. Looks grim... Oh and the fact the 7 days is, from what I understand, what is required for CASA to get the matter before the courts, and have their AOC stripped. The 7 days is from what I understand an instant suspension until the courts can officially can them. This has been mentioned by CASA so, I think it may be a court order made within that 7 days and it will be over.

 

[dajop]

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Tiger are not going to go out of business. TT may. If anything, aircraft could be deployed to new JV with TG, a Thai version of Tiger. As much as the bogans and not-so-bogans may choose to avoid TT as a result of this, there are other markets out there.

It will interesting to see how much fallout there will be outside Australia. Not at home, so don't have a copy of the (Singapore newspaper) Straits Times in front of me, but unsurprisingly I note the below forum/article has a direct link from front page of their website. You have to do a few clicks to find info on the TT grounding. Will be interesting if this develops into a bigger story, but I suspect not.

Jetstar playing hide-and-seek
MY BROTHER booked a flight on Jetstar through a travel agency recently. As he had to change his return flight to a later date, I called the Jetstar customer service hotline but gave up after holding for more than half an hour.
I then tried to change the flight online but each time, the website showed that no booking had been made....

Oh, and as for the SQ linkage, the parallel with QF would be if Air Pacific had safety issues, not Jetstar. In the Australian public's mind, the linkage to JQ would clearly damage the QF brand, not so sure that similar issues with FJ would have quite an impact. Although perhaps the SQ/Tiger linkage is more widely known amongst SQ travellers.

 

[UP4014]

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Without wanting to sound too morbid, are any Tiger aircraft parked around the east side of Sydney airport does anyone know?

I might try for a few photos while the paint scheme is still around. My only Tiger shot is this Line up | Flickr - Photo Sharing! and all you can see is the tail in the background.

 

[PineappleSkip]

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It will interesting to see how much fallout there will be outside Australia.

Australia grounds Tiger over safety fears

Here, a Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (Caas) spokesman said it 'has not found any cause for concern over Tiger Singapore's ability to operate flights in a safe manner in its regular surveillance of the airline.'

Cheers skip

 

[samiam]

Sad really, but some people are suggesting that TT might become a low cost offshoot of a new premium DJ...

There are apparently 30,000 travellers whose plans have been affected (uncertain as to the period).

In the event that TT no longer flies, the more likely scenario is that all other carriers would pick up a share of the current load- at little or no cost to the carrier.

 

[jb747]

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In the event that TT no longer flies, the more likely scenario is that all other carriers would pick up a share of the current load- at little or no cost to them.

Cost to whom? The passengers or the other carriers?

 

[Sprucegoose]

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Cost to whom? The passengers or the other carriers?

He is most likely talking incremetal marginal costs is quite low to the airlines as they didn't need to go and market these additional pax, they just appeared - walla!Economically a good scenario.

 

[samiam]

He is most likely talking incremetal marginal costs is quite low to the airlines as they didn't need to go and market these additional pax, they just appeared - walla!Economically a good scenario.

Exactly... Particularly with fixed overheads and sub 100% occupancy/load.

Above post edited for clarity.

 

[FL360]

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Pax who only flies full service airline should wish Tiger keep operating here (after they have fixed up their pilot proficiencies).

Virgin is no longer a low cost airline, they are currently charging similar fares to QF, only their younger crew make a difference to some pax because they don't wanted to be served by someone a generation up.

If Tiger is gone, QF group will get what they always wanted, JQ replacing all (if not most) of QF services, may be JQ will add a bit more for the business pax but that's it. In that case not sure if JQ can move the maintenance offshore by rotating the A/C to SIN via PER or DRW for service?
(I really enjoy watching someone from ALAEA bashing Tiger on TV, they simply don't realise the above scenario is most likely in QF's long term strategy).

:!:

 

[jb747]

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(I really enjoy watching someone from ALAEA bashing Tiger on TV, they simply don't realise the above scenario is most likely in QF's long term strategy).

A bit of thread drift, but of course they realise.....

 

[oz_mark]

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There are apparently 30,000 travellers whose plans have been affected (uncertain as to the period).

In the event that TT no longer flies, the more likely scenario is that all other carriers would pick up a share of the current load- at little or no cost to the carrier.

Eek, You're not suggesting a Tiger Tax? :shock:

 

[LiamR]

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There are apparently 30,000 travellers whose plans have been affected (uncertain as to the period).

In the event that TT no longer flies, the more likely scenario is that all other carriers would pick up a share of the current load- at little or no cost to the carrier.

I honestly don't think they will need to increase capacity at all if Tiger went bust. No more than they have done during the past 24hrs.

We have one Tiger flight OOL/SYD, and two OOL/MEL flights. That capacity could easily be spread out over the JQ/DJ flights through the day without the need to purchasing new aircraft.

Am I underestimating the size of tiger? I always thought it was a small airline, with just a few flights day.

 

[markis10]

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Tiger are not that small, they have 11 aircraft.

 

[haydensydney]

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Whilst this could be end of Tiger in Australia there is an opportunity for the airline to recover.

They can use this as an opportunity to say "We're making changes and this is what they are" to the Australian public... If they do this effectively there may be a chance that the bogan aussie collective will forgive them.

 

[TheInsider]

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They can use this as an opportunity to say "We're making changes and this is what they are" to the Australian public....

But the bogans don't care if their airline is safe or not though, they will book them no matter what. This is also evident on twitter and tabliod comments, by people saying they have still booked after this event.