Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altitude)

[ejb]

But the bogans don't care if their airline is safe or not though, they will book them no matter what. This is also evident on twitter and tabliod comments, by people saying they have still booked after this event.

Also evident from polls in papers today saying 30% of people would still fly tiger. I am going to guess that about that number would have considered it before this issue.

Seems the cheap fares are the only consideration.

ejb


Sent from my iPhone so please ignore auto corrects!

 

[haydensydney]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

But the bogans don't care if their airline is safe or not though, they will book them no matter what. This is also evident on twitter and tabliod comments, by people saying they have still booked after this event.

Yes, but the airline also requires non price sensitive non bogans to fly also in order to make a profit. There will also be bogans that don't fly because of this.

You can't say that Tiger will be unaffected from this PR disaster unless they make drastic changes to their operation.

 

[oz_mark]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Well, after reading the AVHerald report on it, I am thoroughly confused about what altitude it was at!!
Incident: Tiger A320 near Avalon on Jun 30th 2011, reportedly descended below minimum safe altitude

As far as I can make out, if you use standard pressure for the calculation, it comes out too low. If you correct for local QNH (1031 at the time), it was higher than reported.

 

[harvyk]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

But the bogans don't care if their airline is safe or not though, they will book them no matter what. This is also evident on twitter and tabliod comments, by people saying they have still booked after this event.

That's brave of them, what if CASA refuses to let TT fly again? I feel sorry for people who have booked with TT to have their holiday plans thrown into disarray due to the grounding, but people who delibrately book with a grounded airline is beyond belief... No doubt those people will be the first to complain to ACA that their holidays where ruined.

Personally I'd hate to have a future booking with TT, even after the 9th... There is every chance that your flight won't be going anywhere...

 

[oz_mark]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

That's brave of them, what if CASA refuses to let TT fly again?

The next step in the process (e.g. extending the suspension), would require CASA to put its case before the Federal Court. On the other hand, Tiger can get it lifted by taking CASA to the federal court.

So, as I understand it, the next steps, if CASA and Tiger can't work it out, may well be in the court room.

 

[harvyk]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

The next step in the process (e.g. extending the suspension), would require CASA to put its case before the Federal Court. On the other hand, Tiger can get it lifted by taking CASA to the federal court.

So, as I understand it, the next steps, if CASA and Tiger can't work it out, may well be in the court room.

True, that said the option is available to CASA to take TT to the fed court and stop TT from being an airline, thus any future ticket would be in doubt full stop.

 

[ethernet]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Well, after reading the AVHerald report on it, I am thoroughly confused about what altitude it was at!!
Incident: Tiger A320 near Avalon on Jun 30th 2011, reportedly descended below minimum safe altitude

As far as I can make out, if you use standard pressure for the calculation, it comes out too low. If you correct for local QNH (1031 at the time), it was higher than reported.

I don't understand either. The link has a lot of info, but it sounds likes the pilots have a technical out by saying 'we were on visual' and if it was cloudless. Bogan opinion that the pilots reckon they are about the only users of the airport, and they had been shown a shortcut - just whip down south, and if clear, lock onto ILS and its done. Pesky things like LSALT's naaahhh, and that's not what the trainer/pilot did on their first landing. Strange OOH seems also to attract same sort of informality - not just Tiger.

After Pan Pharmaceuticals, CASA will have to be very careful, especially as the pilots will now have scripted answers, and going to court for 6-7 items and only 3 or so ones that stick = big trouble.
Lowest safe altitude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It is a long bow to say 'unsafe' Vs 'loss of confidence'.
In the past you could cane bad boys, but now you have to give then several chances AFTER fixing up issues. Tiger are saying ongoing, under treatment, whatever, as their lawyers are on the ball. CASA should speak to TGA to ensure lessons are learnt.

BOGAN.com.au - The Ultimate Bogan Resource opinion is that after Bali, passenger growth grew 30% compound, the TV show did not do it, So Tiger still has a recalcitrant pool of recidivists who believe flights can be had for a packet of smokes or three., and luckily for them aussie swagger that the authorities are always wrong, and just pickin.

 

[TheInsider]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Yes, but the airline also requires non price sensitive non bogans to fly also in order to make a profit. There will also be bogans that don't fly because of this.

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Tiger wouldn't have many of these type of passengers though. I think most business would stay way clear of them.

 

[ethernet]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

True, that said the option is available to CASA to take TT to the fed court and stop TT from being an airline, thus any future ticket would be in doubt full stop.

Pan debacle yields further $67.5m payout

TGA thought it was on a 'sure thing' black and white rules , 100% solid ground etc - and look this happened. All those hurt class action. SACL would be hurt, and has very deep pockets. 30% contingency fee and tax free settlement is so attractive.

While the intent may to stop a bad apple, other businesses will be irreparably harmed, opening up other doors to class actions and long running battles.

The smart strategy is not to ground the airline, but regulate plane by plane , pilot by pilot, action by action. Tiger has 11 planes. Taking out 10% at one time would drive the nail in management plenty, and incentive enough not to skimp in places where they have not acted with alacrity.

Even so CASA would need a risk plan so they can prove it is all risk based, and they are not unfairly or even perceived picking on anyone.

I hope the minister asks his advisers if CASA is about to do a TGA/PAN debacle.

 

[CWM]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

This is just another shot in the Governments war against smaller business.

The fetid stench of ineptitude and corruption is thick in the air.

 

[pauly7]

This is just another shot in the Governments war against smaller business.

The fetid stench of ineptitude and corruption is thick in the air.

Oh of course now I understand.... Whatever!

 

[Standby]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Pan debacle yields further $67.5m payout

TGA thought it was on a 'sure thing' black and white rules , 100% solid ground etc - and look this happened. All those hurt class action. SACL would be hurt, and has very deep pockets. 30% contingency fee and tax free settlement is so attractive.

While the intent may to stop a bad apple, other businesses will be irreparably harmed, opening up other doors to class actions and long running battles.

The smart strategy is not to ground the airline, but regulate plane by plane , pilot by pilot, action by action. Tiger has 11 planes. Taking out 10% at one time would drive the nail in management plenty, and incentive enough not to skimp in places where they have not acted with alacrity.

Even so CASA would need a risk plan so they can prove it is all risk based, and they are not unfairly or even perceived picking on anyone.

I hope the minister asks his advisers if CASA is about to do a TGA/PAN debacle.

CASA have said they want actually dont wan to drive TT out of business they just want then to "follow the rules" The PAN PH comments seems a bit harsh in that TT have actually done some serious breaches.

 

[oz_mark]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Well, well, well. Looks like its hit the fan in Singapore.

http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwAttachments/Att_A39644856B11B047482578C20033BA8A/$file/CompanyStatementTT.030711.pdf?openelement

The Company has taken the following steps:
• With immediate effect, the Board has directed Mr. Tony Davis, Group President and Chief
Executive Officer of the Company, to focus on assisting Tiger Airways Australia to resume
operations as soon as possible.

• The Board has appointed Mr. Chin Yau Seng as an additional Executive Director with effect
from 4 July 2011. Mr. Chin will work with Mr. Davis in providing oversight of the rest of the
Company’s interests. The background of Mr. Chin is contained in a separate announcement
released today.

So who is Mr Chin Yau Seng?

Well, according to the announcement of the appointment

October 2010 to 3 July 2011: Divisional Vice President Cabin Crew Operations, Singapore Airlines
March 2007 to October 2010 - Chief Executive, Silkair
July 2005 to March 2007 - Vice President, Company Planning and Fuel, Singapore Airlines

http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwAttachments/Att_0F1E0D9E92AB27AA482578C200339C58/$file/AppointmentED.030711.pdf?openelement

 

[CWM]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Oh of course now I understand....

Unless you know CASA you don't.

 

[concorde71]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

CASA are a typical Government department. Arrogant, rude, abrupt full of little people, and veryyyyyyy sloooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
So dont expect any rush on announcements

 

[medhead]

I'm on the phone so no link. But most of the stories about the TT grounding in the business section of the Australian say Tiger have 10 aircraft. They are also quote financial estimates of 15% raise in fares if TT go away.

As for the other comments about CASA. There is a firm 5 day limit on the suspension. They will act if they think it is required

 

[Sprucegoose]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Tiger wouldn't have many of these type of passengers though. I think most business would stay way clear of them.

i know of no-one who flies Tiger for Business. We are all QF people and the odd DJ.

 

[markis10]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

i know of no-one who flies Tiger for Business. We are all QF people and the odd DJ.

Happy to be in the "dont fly Tiger" group, but not the "we are all QF people" group .

Here is how airfleets see their fleet:

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 2906 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]05/10/2007[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNB [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 2952 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]15/11/2010[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNP [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 2982 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]10/09/2009[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNJ [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 3275 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]18/10/2007[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNC [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 3296 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]08/11/2007[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VND [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 3332 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]04/12/2007[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNF [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 3674 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]24/02/2009[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNG [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 3734 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]12/01/2009[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNH [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 3986 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]15/01/2010[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNK [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 4053 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]04/03/2010[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-VNO [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 30%"] [/TD]

[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 19%"] 4645 [/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 15%"]320-232[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"]22/04/2011[/TD]
[TD="class: tdtexten, width: 18%"] VH-FJR [/TD]

 

[oz_mark]

Re: Ooh Tiger, you did it again and are grounded - fly below LSALT (lowest safe altit

Hmm, Having trouble finding FJR on the CASA register (but otherwise have found several references to it being intended for TT)

Seems it was here at one point - but not sure it still is.

 

[markis10]

Hmm, Having trouble finding FJR on the CASA register (but otherwise have found several references to it being intended for TT)

Seems it was here at one point - but not sure it still is.

Believe the aircraft was grounded in April as part of the show cause notice and left for SIN late May, as they were restricted to 10 operating aircraft.