Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Limewood]

Surely not a lie

 

[Pushka]

I was interested in this article from the SMH-
Time for ASADA to come clean

I have always thought that the government's announcement of the Drugs in Sport investigation was just a political ploy to take the heat of the Government's problems.It occurred just after the surprise resignations of a couple of ministers.I am even more sure of this now.The original announcement-
Australian Crime Commission | Probe Finds Widespread Use Of Drugs

So to me this government has sullied sports reputation,made us a laughing stock in the rest of the world and damaged our reputation in regards to drugs in sport.Even if it wasn't to divert attention it shows utter incompetence on the part of the two ministers in that they obviously had no idea what the report actually meant.

We thought exactly the same thing at the time. We also wondered where John Coates was as the Olympic representative. Probably told her to take a hike. We also wondered just what discussions had taken place to get all the head boffins there. It reeked of political opportunism and had no substance.

 

[Moody]

Moody George Orwell had your position worked out long ago-

It is all very well to be "advanced" and "enlightened," to snigger at Colonel Blimp and proclaim your emancipation from all traditional loyalties, but a time comes when the sand of the desert is sodden red and what have I done for thee, England, my England? As I was brought up in this tradition myself I can recognise it under strange disguises, and also sympathise with it, for even at its stupidest and most sentimental it is a comelier thing than the shallow self-righteousness of the left-wing intelligentsia.

Very bizarre that you should quote Orwell against me - but it kinda sums up the IQ of the average poster on this thread.

OK - I will pick a topic. NDIS. Everyone seems to be in agreement that it is a worthwhile thing, and I assume you haven't left any babies out in the snow to die recently, drron? Sorry - bad joke and my only excuse is that it matches the hysteria on this purile thread.

But back to the big issue - how to pay for NDIS. From my point of view this is a new social benefit and so will be best funded with a new income stream rather than cutting anything else. Not that I am against efficiency and the elimination of waste, but that is a seperate issue unless you are truly stupid. From what I understand Labour is proposing an increase of 0.5% in the Medicare levy. I have a problem with that because it doesn't fully fund NDIS.

Tony Abbott's position is even less enlightning. He seemed to back the concept of NDIS but didn't think anyone should have to pay for it. Then a couple of days ago he backed the increased Medicare levy, but only temporarily. Apparently another commodity price increase and mining boom is just around the corner and the billions needed to fund NDIS every year will be attracted to the Coalition likes flies to excrement. I have a big problem with that because I am not stupid.


So the circus carries on much as it ever does, but the claims by seemingly intelligent posters on this forum that the NDIS legislation is an example of bad government are ...... how can I put this nicely .... an insult to anyone with more than one synapse. There are far better areas to attack Labour on, so pick one and let's have an intelligent debate for a change.

 

[cove]

I just hope the new Government don't hate small / medium business people as much as the current Government does.
Multiple ministerial changes have been dreadful and this Government has increased the admin time taken to meet all the rules and regulations.
On the NDIS I think the levy should be 1% and the amount raised should cap the amount spent in each year and should be handled at State level. It can start when the scheme starts.
I have no issue in paying for this based on income.

 

[Pushka]

So the circus carries on much as it ever does, but the claims by seemingly intelligent posters on this forum that the NDIS legislation is an example of bad government are ...... how can I put this nicely .... an insult to anyone with more than one synapse. There are far better areas to attack Labour on, so pick one and let's have an intelligent debate for a change.

Please quote anyone who has said that the NDIS legislation is an example of bad government? Funding of it - dubious. Timing of it - far too much in the future. Control of it - concerns expressed re another bureacratic layer. The concept itself? There is full agreement.

So, I would ask you, why are you trying (unsuccessfully) to pick a fight from nothing?

Secondly, if this is such a purile (sic - and I am going to assume that you meant - puerile) thread then what does that make you if you are still posting in it.

Thirdly, interesting that you feel it worthy to comment on people's intelligence just because they don't agree with you, and it seems that we have quite some professional people posting here, and last time I looked, lack of intelligence and University degrees aren't all that compatible. And of course, before you feel you need to state the obvious, many intelligent people do not hold a Tertiary degree.

 

[casanovawa]

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And the Libs don't specialise in working class BS? Howard's Battlers if anybody remembers? The start of our middle/upper class welfare because Howard/Costello had no bloody imagination when it came to infrastructure other then bribing the electorate!

No they don't... Many of the union heavies, Labor rabble rousers and the 'working class', well the ones who live off a diet of envy of those who have more irrespective of whether they have put in a commesurate level of effort to attain it, tend to think the Libs and the conservatives are generally backers of the big end of town and the silver spoon mob... Howard was happy to show that his government supported big business, small business, individual contractors, aspirational workers who wanted to move themselves up the ladder a little... So no i don't think he specialised if focussing on any particular segment of the population, i think they were more interested in increasing the pie for everyone rather than trying to slice it ever thinner and play one group off against each other... And hopefully TA's government will follow in that inclusive, rather than divisive, approach...

 

[Skyring]

.... an insult to anyone with more than one synapse. There are far better areas to attack Labour on...

Just out of interest, but are you talking about "Labour" as a concept, or "Labor" as a political party?

If we could all use the same terminology, rather than one special person walking by themselves, it would make discussion flow easier.

Not that I have any problem with people being special.

Especially not in this community.

 

[Skyring]

The trouble is, with Gillard, she's creating new bottom lines.

Well, I don't think we need go into her fashion sense in this thread. Or threads.

 

[drron]

Very bizarre that you should quote Orwell against me - but it kinda sums up the IQ of the average poster on this thread.
And just why is that Moody.you dont know me and have no idea of my personal beliefs.


OK - I will pick a topic. NDIS. Everyone seems to be in agreement that it is a worthwhile thing, and I assume you haven't left any babies out in the snow to die recently, drron? Sorry - bad joke and my only excuse is that it matches the hysteria on this purile thread.
Before you can debate an NDIS it is imperative to know what disabilities you think should be covered by an NDIS

But back to the big issue - how to pay for NDIS. From my point of view this is a new social benefit and so will be best funded with a new income stream rather than cutting anything else. Not that I am against efficiency and the elimination of waste, but that is a seperate issue unless you are truly stupid. From what I understand Labour is proposing an increase of 0.5% in the Medicare levy. I have a problem with that because it doesn't fully fund NDIS.
Again until we know what disabilities are going to be covered to know how much it is going to cost.And quite frankly I dont trust this Government's figures.You can quote the Productivities Commission report but that is 2 years old and Julia has significantly increased the costs with wage increases in the system.And dont peddle that it will add significantly to GDP-in the Commissions report that didn't happen immediately but was the forecast for 2050.

Tony Abbott's position is even less enlightning. He seemed to back the concept of NDIS but didn't think anyone should have to pay for it. Then a couple of days ago he backed the increased Medicare levy, but only temporarily. Apparently another commodity price increase and mining boom is just around the corner and the billions needed to fund NDIS every year will be attracted to the Coalition likes flies to excrement. I have a big problem with that because I am not stupid.
Again Tony Abbott backed the idea of an NDIS back on 31/1/2012.It is on the public record and i already have posted a link.In that address he suggested it had to be when finances allowed it.but now we have an election campaign so responses are different.Personally I dont see why savings to the budget bottom line cant be used to fund the NDIS.

So the circus carries on much as it ever does, but the claims by seemingly intelligent posters on this forum that the NDIS legislation is an example of bad government are ...... how can I put this nicely .... an insult to anyone with more than one synapse.
So the Government wont be insulted.

There are far better areas to attack Labour on, so pick one and let's have an intelligent debate for a change.

I have given already reason's why it is feasible to attack the ALP government on this issue.For one it is Julia trying to get a wedge issue on TA hoping against hope of an electoral miracle.

 

[amaroo]

Yes you've nailed it I was on the wrong end of a couple of bottles of wine.

I woke up and thought I must delete that lol...

been there - done that!

No harm done. It's the ones that post at 10am......that have a real problem

 

[Pushka]

Recent survey says the majority trust Abbott to implement NDIS appropriately but less than 40% trust Gillard.

 

[cove]

Amaroo it is 5 pm somewhere if you are scratching for a reason.

 

[drron]

Amaroo it is 5 pm somewhere if you are scratching for a reason.

Precisely-

 

[TheEmu]

Amaroo it is 5 pm somewhere if you are scratching for a reason.

Took the words right from under my fingers!

 

[TheEmu]

Precisely-

Wonder what their opening hours are...

 

[drron]

Wonder what their opening hours are...

It's Las vegas.Do you still need to ask?

 

[The Rok]

Wonder what their opening hours are...

9-5 mon to fri

 

[Skyring]

Wonder what their opening hours are...

They have a range of world clocks over the bar. Take your pick. Paris, Seattle, Miami, Hong Kong, Dubai...

 

[Pukka]

been there - done that!

No harm done. It's the ones that post at 10am......that have a real problem

Yes paying a massive tax bill knocking back a bottle of wine then entering into a discussion about tax rates wasn't the best idea? Still lots of points I need to try out one of those suites on SAL

 

[Alanslegal]

I'm with you Alex Hawke, its time to ditch parental leave on all levels. As a DINK couple who have no desire to have children and think middle class welfare stinks. We dislike people with children crying poor, thinking how expensive raising a child can be. Yes I agree, its not cheap but at the same token, one should be having children because they want to, and not because of middle class handouts.

Time to ditch parental leave pledge: Liberal MP