Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Pushka]

All in one post for you with the relevant bits bolded.

Major problem. I'm not Pukka.

 

[Pukka]

All in one post for you with the relevant bits bolded.

The reason there were no large payouts was that I'm not stupid and I take advice from the relevant HR advisers.

The advice I was given was that the guy is 62 if you sack him straight away he could claim unfair dismissal and that he wanted to work until he was 70 and his chances of re employment are almost zero, cases like this have no cap and they often side with the employee since he's on over $200k a year it could be very expensive and obviously has to be played by the book.

So we went down the written warnings route, meetings, performance monitoring, further education etc etc cc everything to HR and eventually problem solved but to to say it was a ridiculous process would be an understatement, there was only going to be one outcome but it just took longer than I wanted.

Like I said no employer is trying to get rid of good employees far from it but when you get a bad one I think it should be easier to dump them to protect the reputation of your business that you have invested bucket loads of money into.

Does that sound fair or unreasonable?

 

[casanovawa]

O joy...

Julia Gillard to launch campaign based on Women for Obama | News.com.au

JULIA Gillard is to launch a new Women For Gillard campaign based on the United States' successful fundraising movement Women for Obama.

An independent campaign arm, partly funded by the Labor Party, the Women For Gillard campaign will seek online "micro-donations" from supporters' credit cards to run digital, print and television ads.


The Prime Minister - who is resisting internal Labor calls to stand aside for a resurgent Kevin Rudd - will on Tuesday officially launch the outfit, which will highlight her famous "misogyny" speech accusing Tony Abbott of being anti-women, as well as raising the Opposition Leader's views on abortion.

 

[tgh]

old as time.. divide and conquer.. is there anything she will not do.
It seems to me to be a new low.. what more seminal (sic) and potentially divisive subject is there than the differences between males and females ?

 

[whatmeworry]

old as time.. divide and conquer.. is there anything she will not do.

Hang on, the same could be said for the Mad Monk or to be more precise what he doesn't say!

 

[Skyring]

Hang on, the same could be said for the Mad Monk or to be more precise what he doesn't say!

What you make up, you mean?

Speaking of applying epithets to the members of the opposing team, such as "ape" or "Juliar" or whatever, can I suggest that the conversation flows more readily without it? It kind of distracts from whatever reason or logic one might be using to promote a position.

Of course, this is only a suggestion, but one which could be useful for those participants who wish their arguments to be considered on their merits.

I personally read each post carefully, but there is always the tendency to label some participants as just members of a cheer squad for one team or another, which is a pointless activity if you consider that few, if any, of the players hang out on this forum, and in the one match where we all get to play, we are unlikely to have any effect at all, even if we were all grouped into the most marginal pitch in the nation and all kicking the same way.

 

[Mal]

Pondering something. If Tony Abbott (and yes I do support him) is made PM.. Will the GFC and financial crisis that Australia has been conveniently ignoring happen soon after he is sworn in?

 

[Pushka]

The reason there were no large payouts was that I'm not stupid and I take advice from the relevant HR advisers.
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Does that sound fair or unreasonable?

What you did was fine. As HVR would have to agree. The issue is HVR attributed those comments to me in a clumsy attempt to discredit what I posted yesterday about being a small business. And then reposted them and bolded them when I said i had no idea what he was referring to. Which of course showed it was you who said them and not me. And which was not spotted by HVR. Major fail.

 

[Moody]

old as time.. divide and conquer.. is there anything she will not do.
It seems to me to be a new low.. what more seminal (sic) and potentially divisive subject is there than the differences between males and females ?

hmmmmm .... let me see ... how about demonising asylum seekers? No decent human being would ever do that, would they?

 

[Pushka]

Trying to send asylum seekers to Malaysia for processing is demonising them.

 

[amaroo]

Pondering something. If Tony Abbott (and yes I do support him) is made PM.. Will the GFC and financial crisis that Australia has been conveniently ignoring happen soon after he is sworn in?

I'm guessing that train is about to arrive no matter who sits in the big chair.........for the sake of the country lets hope that Lib/Nat get to decide how best to work through the dasters of the past 6 years as well as the ones about to hit.

 

[Hvr]

Major problem. I'm not Pukka.

I know. You were referring to a post where it appeared that you didn't know what the conversation was about so I highlighted it for you.

The reason there were no large payouts was that I'm not stupid and I take advice from the relevant HR advisers.

The advice I was given was that the guy is 62 if you sack him straight away he could claim unfair dismissal and that he wanted to work until he was 70 and his chances of re employment are almost zero, cases like this have no cap and they often side with the employee since he's on over $200k a year it could be very expensive and obviously has to be played by the book.

So we went down the written warnings route, meetings, performance monitoring, further education etc etc cc everything to HR and eventually problem solved but to to say it was a ridiculous process would be an understatement, there was only going to be one outcome but it just took longer than I wanted.

Like I said no employer is trying to get rid of good employees far from it but when you get a bad one I think it should be easier to dump them to protect the reputation of your business that you have invested bucket loads of money into.

Does that sound fair or unreasonable?

No of course not. The problem with all laws are that they are required to cover the extremes and most egregious scenarios from both perspectives, i.e. employer and employee.

 

[amaroo]

Trying to send asylum seekers to Malaysia for processing is demonising them.

What a joke of a policy that one was........IIRC, you take 800 of ours and we'll take 4000 of yours

Unfortunately, that was the high water mark for this inept group of policy weaklings.......it's all been down hill from there.

 

[Hvr]

Pondering something. If Tony Abbott (and yes I do support him) is made PM.. Will the GFC and financial crisis that Australia has been conveniently ignoring happen soon after he is sworn in?

Probably and Tony Abbott will revel in it coasting along with blame for Labor for at least two election cycles while doing nothing to actually resolve it.

 

[cove]

Facing up to the facts most employers have at least 5 employees per 100 who need to get into the departures lounge. Managing these disastrous hires into fires is usually quite a procedural issue and it is amazing how the worst employees always want to try to get some additional pay through the system.
The folks who regularly take Fridays and Mondays off as " sick leave" are pretty pathetic.
There are nasty employers and nasty employees so we do need some safeguards.

 

[Pushka]

I know. You were referring to a post where it appeared that you didn't know what the conversation was about so I highlighted it for you.

You previously commented on employees receiving large payouts when not warranted and then when it was pointed out that this was rare you admitted you actually hadn't paid any money.

This was what you attributed to me. And then the posts you requoted and bolded were from Pukka. I'd like to see my comments about this anot Pukka's if you are going use them in critique of my posts.

 

[Hvr]

This was what you attributed to me. And then the posts you requoted and bolded were from Pukka. I'd like to see my comments about this anot Pukka's if you are going use them in critique of my posts.

Sorry, you are of course correct I now see where I got confused and mixed up my responses.

 

[eastwest101]

Probably and Tony Abbott will revel in it coasting along with blame for Labor for at least two election cycles while doing nothing to actually resolve it.

Just to clarify - are you saying that if the Australian economy gets worse and in the event that the opposition win the Sept election, are you saying that Tony Abbott will enjoy the australian economy going backwards (rising unemployment and lower growth)? Given that Abbott and his party would be up for re-election at some point - and correct me if I'm wrong - but all politicians like being re-elected, I cannot see him celebrating any deterioration in the australian economy.

But agree with some other posters that the the train will arrive at the station regardless of whom is in power.

 

[drron]

Probably and Tony Abbott will revel in it coasting along with blame for Labor for at least two election cycles while doing nothing to actually resolve it.

Actually it is going to be very easy to blame dear old Wayne.this from terry Mccrann-
No Cookies | Herald Sun

Also unrecognised is the dramatic consequence - that Treasury's pre-election budget update, the so-called PEFO, will now explode dramatically, smack in the middle of the election campaign.

For the first time we could have Treasury officially announcing a "budget black hole" before election day.

WAYNE Swan's 2013 Budget hasn't even made it through its first month and all its figures are already wrong.

The bottom-line deficit for the coming 2013-14 financial year is already almost certainly bigger than the $18 billion forecast just over three weeks ago.

These forecasts of very modest falls in our commodity prices not just through next fiscal year, but also for the year after that, were the absolute building blocks of all the numbers in the Budget.

They enabled Treasury to project a relatively benign outlook for the economy. And they fed into all the Budget numbers, and so ultimately, the projected bottom-line deficit.

As the Budget papers themselves showed, even a further small fall in commodity prices - from the ones Treasury used - could add $3 billion to the deficit in 2013-14 and nearly $6 billion in 2014-15.

Quite damningly, for both his own and Treasury's credibility, and the Budget, Parkinson actually said that, with hindsight, he should have gone with bigger commodity price falls.

So Wayne's latest budget is in trouble before we even know the damage from his last one.Time for Julia and Wayne to come out with their we are returning the budget to surplus speeches.

 

[yeahbut]

But agree with some other posters that the the train will arrive at the station regardless of whom is in power.

Sadly, I don't think the train will just arrive I think it will still be going top speed when it gets here....