Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Pukka]

So more speculation that Julia will not lead them to the election.

I'm amazed Rudd would want to take over but he's so arrogant he probably thinks he can win.

Personally I want Julia to stay I want her to be driving when the train wreck happens

 

[oz_mark]

And which was not spotted by HVR. Major fail.

I'm guessing you won't be engaging hvr's services then!

 

[amaroo]

So more speculation that Julia will not lead them to the election.

I'm amazed Rudd would want to take over but he's so arrogant he probably thinks he can win.

Personally I want Julia to stay I want her to be driving when the train wreck happens

If takes her out - he wins!

 

[Sprucegoose]

If takes her out - he wins!

He wins until sep 13, we all lose.

The man is an egomaniacal fool

 

[amaroo]

He wins until sep 13, we all lose.

The man is an egomaniacal fool

I hope he does take her out......and then - he's taken out on the 14th.

 

[Hvr]

Just to clarify - are you saying that if the Australian economy gets worse and in the event that the opposition win the Sept election, are you saying that Tony Abbott will enjoy the australian economy going backwards (rising unemployment and lower growth)? Given that Abbott and his party would be up for re-election at some point - and correct me if I'm wrong - but all politicians like being re-elected, I cannot see him celebrating any deterioration in the australian economy.

But agree with some other posters that the the train will arrive at the station regardless of whom is in power.

Tony Abbott will have two easy terms deriding Labor and wont have to do anything regardless of how bad things get. Assuming of course he isn't rolled by his own people like Rudd was.

So more speculation that Julia will not lead them to the election.

I'm amazed Rudd would want to take over but he's so arrogant he probably thinks he can win.

Personally I want Julia to stay I want her to be driving when the train wreck happens

Now if (when?) Rudd runs and gets the Prime Ministership again then the date of the election will most likely change. Wonder if the Liberal party will take the opportunity to change leaders as well?

And here's something else to think about, it would mean Julia Gillard would not have lost an election as PM.

 

[Pukka]

Tony Abbott will have two easy terms deriding Labor and wont have to do anything regardless of how bad things get. Assuming of course he isn't rolled by his own people like Rudd was.



Now if (when?) Rudd runs and gets the Prime Ministership again then the date of the election will most likely change. Wonder if the Liberal party will take the opportunity to change leaders as well?

And here's something else to think about, it would mean Julia Gillard would not have lost an election as PM.

If Rudd gets the pm job the election will be ASAP so 33 days or whatever the minimal notice is. No chance of Tony being stabbed in the back IMHO if so then Australian politics has descended into total farce.

As for Julia she didn't actually get a labour majority so she's never been a winner as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think even Kevin13 can win this one, well I hope not anyway.

 

[amaroo]

it would mean Julia Gillard would not have lost an election as PM.

I think most would focus on the fact - she never actually won one

 

[whatmeworry]

He wins until sep 13, we all lose.

The man is an egomaniacal fool

It is hard to see Krudd coming back. The public love him more then Juliar or the Mad Monk yet the Labour party has painted themselves into a corner the way they destroyed him.

Yet funnier things have happened in politics. Krudd knows he would probably lose if he came back but at least he would minimise Labour losses and setup Labour to be an effective opposition next term and Krudd would be a more effective opposition leader then the other Labour party hacks.

 

[HarryB]

Krudd knows he would probably lose if he came back but at least he would minimise Labour losses and setup Labour to be an effective opposition next term and Krudd would be a more effective opposition leader then the other Labour party hacks.

I think this would be the plan. Gillard and her backers are as stubborn as they come so they would only consider her stepping aside now because, like most of us have known for a very long time, she is on a hiding to nothing and making it worse. I don't understand how the party could have kept her in the top job for any reasons other than stubbornness considering what the polls were saying all along. She has never had the trust of the electorate and if Tony Abbott wasn't so unpopular and keeping her in the game she would have been out on her cough years ago.

Despite all his weaknesses Rudd is amazingly popular compared to both Gillard and Abbott, which perhaps says more about Gillard and Abbott than it does about Rudd. And while we all know you vote for the party and not the leader, the leader has a huge amount of influence on how many people vote, rightly or wrongly, so bringing Rudd in as a late pinch hitter will swing a lot of votes back to Labor. Despite what you think of Labor's performance over the last 6 years it is never good to have a Government with a massive majority that allows them to plough along their merry path without anything resembling a challenge so the closer the election is the better it will be for the country (hung Parliament excluded of course).

 

[casanovawa]

It is hard to see Krudd coming back. The public love him more then Juliar or the Mad Monk yet the Labour party has painted themselves into a corner the way they destroyed him.

Yet funnier things have happened in politics. Krudd knows he would probably lose if he came back but at least he would minimise Labour losses and setup Labour to be an effective opposition next term and Krudd would be a more effective opposition leader then the other Labour party hacks.

They would still all hate him, as soon as he had stemmed the losses you could bet Shorten would be sharpening the knife to have his turn... Unless they wanted to let him hang around a bit and Shorten knife him say a year or two out from the next election, let Kruddy push you know what up hill for the first 12 months or so...

 

[Skyring]

And here's something else to think about, it would mean Julia Gillard would not have lost an election as PM.

Is that sort of thing important? Sounds like living in the past to me, like baseball statistics geeks compiling lists of arcane records.

Julia Gillard is going to go down in Labor history as a loser. An example to aspiring politicians of how not to operate. That's about all we need to know.

 

[Skyring]

Despite all his weaknesses Rudd is amazingly popular compared to both Gillard and Abbott, which perhaps says more about Gillard and Abbott than it does about Rudd. And while we all know you vote for the party and not the leader, the leader has a huge amount of influence on how many people vote, rightly or wrongly, so bringing Rudd in as a late pinch hitter will swing a lot of votes back to Labor. Despite what you think of Labor's performance over the last 6 years it is never good to have a Government with a massive majority that allows them to plough along their merry path without anything resembling a challenge so the closer the election is the better it will be for the country (hung Parliament excluded of course).

Words of wisdom. However, consider the last time when it was Abbott and Rudd leading their respective teams. Abbott destroyed Rudd. Sure, it was Gillard who slid the knife in, but only because Rudd was absolutely floundering in the polls. Abbott had his measure and was landing shot after shot.

If Rudd became leader again, I expect the exact same thing would happen again, this time with the added bonus of all those quotes from leading Labor lights dating from last March who described Rudd's character in scorching terms. And there would be more of the same, as retiring Labor insiders fed the media tasty tales as an act of revenge for Rudd's behaviour last election.

Yes, he would save a few ALP seats and it would be a more balanced Parliament, but honestly I cannot see Rudd wishing to stay on as Opposition Leader any more than Gillard.

Labor cannot win, simple as that. Yes, it is increasingly a presidential-style campaign nowadays, but party counts for a lot, and Labor over the past few years has been a tainted brand. The mere fact that there has been three years of continual disunity sinks the ship, regardless of who is at the helm.

 

[Skyring]

Trying to send asylum seekers to Malaysia for processing is demonising them.

Exactly. Julia Gillard's antics in the High Court and elsewhere demonstrated exactly what she thought of them. Her behaviour demonstrates that in every way she sees them as unwanted guests smelling up the spare bedrooms.

She regards the voters of Rooty Hill with more affection than she does the boat folk.

 

[Pushka]

If Rudd gets the PM job now then whatever happens on Election Day he will be turfed out immediately by the Union shadows.

Isn't the 'deal' with the independents only valid with Gillard?

 

[amaroo]

Isn't the 'deal' with the independents only valid with Gillard?

The only deal they're interested in is staying on the payroll as loooooong as they can.

The big difference between Krudd & the union thugs - he doesn't need the money!

 

[Deleted member]

Is it just me?
Everyone here has an opinion on Abbott. In fact the naysayers are convinced they know him well. On that basis what is the problem?
You seem to know what you will get.
With Rudd and Gillard that wasn't / isn't the case
Rudd is reviled by his colleagues. And yet presents an acceptable easy and quite loveable face to the electorate ( and apparently NOT at all liked by our largest trading partner China) Can't be trusted with our money and will say or do anything for a photo op
Gillard is held in disdain and mistrust by the electorate and loved by her colleagues. can't take a trick, lies about her plans, ( yes all politicians lie, but she has taken it to a new level) will do deals with those she ideologically at odds with.

 

[cove]

Calling the Chinese ratfuc..rs was just the beginning. He is a bad joke.

 

[HarryB]

Is it just me?
Everyone here has an opinion on Abbott. In fact the naysayers are convinced they know him well. On that basis what is the problem?
You seem to know what you will get.
With Rudd and Gillard that wasn't / isn't the case
Rudd is reviled by his colleagues. And yet presents an acceptable easy and quite loveable face to the electorate ( and apparently NOT at all liked by our largest trading partner China) Can't be trusted with our money and will say or do anything for a photo op
Gillard is held in disdain and mistrust by the electorate and loved by her colleagues. can't take a trick, lies about her plans, ( yes all politicians lie, but she has taken it to a new level) will do deals with those she ideologically at odds with.

Sadly, it sounds a bit like they're all in it for themselves or, at best, are political opportunists. And what is even sadder is almost every other politician in the house can be accused of the same things. Australia is very, very thin on the ground when it comes to good politicians.

 

[whatmeworry]

Is it just me?
Everyone here has an opinion on Abbott. In fact the naysayers are convinced they know him well. On that basis what is the problem?
You seem to know what you will get.
With Rudd and Gillard that wasn't / isn't the case
Rudd is reviled by his colleagues. And yet presents an acceptable easy and quite loveable face to the electorate ( and apparently NOT at all liked by our largest trading partner China) Can't be trusted with our money and will say or do anything for a photo op
Gillard is held in disdain and mistrust by the electorate and loved by her colleagues. can't take a trick, lies about her plans, ( yes all politicians lie, but she has taken it to a new level) will do deals with those she ideologically at odds with.

To say you know what you are getting with Abbott is a furphy.

Yes we know what we are getting with Abbott... Just have a look at previous behavior. Insulating a dying Man, bully boy behavior. Destruction of public property.
Behaviour | Facts about Tony Abbott

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