Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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I think it is Machiavellian politics at its worst. A business case study on how to self destruct.

Although he probably is the most popular out of the 3 of him, JG and TA, and he does have a cheeky grin and a bit of gift/turn of phrase for the camera and the door stop, surely if drafted back the people of Australia must be starting to question deep down what makes this odd guy tick??? Even if it wasn't the case they must know that their vote won't save him any more than all the polls showing he was more liked than JG did last time... They will determinedly finish him off once and for all as soon as his usefulness is up...

Edit: TA is probably more popular, KR will still lose to him, but not as badly as JG...
 
Although he probably is the most popular out of the 3 of him, JG and TA, and he does have a cheeky grin and a bit of gift/turn of phrase for the camera and the door stop, surely if drafted back the people of Australia must be starting to question deep down what makes this odd guy tick??? Even if it wasn't the case they must know that their vote won't save him any more than all the polls showing he was more liked than JG did last time... They will determinedly finish him off once and for all as soon as his usefulness is up...

Edit: TA is probably more popular, KR will still lose to him, but not as badly as JG...

I don't think TA is more popular than Rudd but the coalition is certainly more popular than the ALP.
 
The sad part of all the attention on Labor is that it means Tony Abbott isn't being scrutinised as he should be given the Liberal party will, barring an incredible event, win government in September.
I may or may not agree with you but the alternative is another 4 years of Gillard.

No one needs to go through that again so Labor should have improvised instead of stabbing people in the back to ensure she got another term when they had the chance....
 
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Windsor has said he will withdraw his deal if Gillard goes. That surprises me. Just waiting for the bex to kick in.....

Now, there is a person that likes the sound of his own voice.......the large paddock is calling for him.

I wonder how many ALP MP's give a rats what Tony says anymore? .......I'm guessing bugger all!

The fact we have an Ind threatening ALP MP's on who their leading will be - is beyond words & puts into perspective how low this mob has gone.
 
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Another Labor insider dirks Gillard.

ROD CAMERON: The problem for Julia Gillard is her lack of credibility. Her credibility is absolutely zero in the electorate. Fairly or unfairly, the electorate is just not listening to her. If they do listen to her, and not many do, but if they do, they get angry and it reinforces their decision not to vote Labor. It hurts me to say that Julia Gillard will bear huge personal responsibility for the train wreck coming to Labor, because so much of the anti-Labor vote is directly attributable to the Prime Minister.

Labor's predicted election defeat raises leadership questions - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 
So who wants a poison chalice? Plenty of people want Julia out... But I doubt anyone (incl. Rudd) will actually go through with a knifing.
 
Wilkie didn't after Julia reneged on her agreement with him - I guess he preferred to remain in parliament for a couple of more dozen months.

I really would not think Windsor (or even Oakshott) would be going to risk his (their) last few months before the election.
 
Wilkie didn't after Julia reneged on her agreement with him - I guess he preferred to remain in parliament for a couple of more dozen months.

I really would not think Windsor (or even Oakshott) would be going to risk his (their) last few months before the election.

And what have Windsor and Oakshott done to give you that impression?
 
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As bad as the polls are for the ALP, I think the leadership speculation could be a bit of a red herring. After hearing that Barry Cassidy is now 'convinced' that Gillard won't survive as PM to contest the next election if think that its most likely that she will stay as leader of the ALP, and will lead the ALP to defeat at the next election.

I do know that they will need to get the jaws of life out to extract Gillard from the daily ritual of the school visit and into the party room for a leadership ballot or resignation.

And not only because Barry Cassidy's political radar is totally out of tune with most politicians and the electorate, but also because the ALP party room has really no alternative left. They have trashed Rudd's reputation so comprehensively that all the coalitions electoral advertising material has already been written by Swan, Conroy, Roxon, Burke etc - which only seems to improve his public standing. As for other possibilities - its so bad for the ALP now that Shorten, Smith, Bowen and Combet won't want to poison their own future political careers by being the caretaker that takes the ALP off the cliff electorally. Most of the other loyal 'steady hands' or adults in the ALP such as Crean, Tanner, Fergusen, Bowen, McClelland etc whom would be prepared to try to save the furniture have been forced out or have left the ministry or may be too disillusioned to try.

I can buy into the "self interest" argument that some commentators argue that as the impeding doom gets closer more and more ALP members and senators can see their own political futures coming to an end then they may resort to some sort of desperate/machivellian leadership change but I just cannot see whom wants to stand up and challenge Gillard before getting a chance to lead the party to anialation.

Basically - at the moment no-one wants the leadership. After the election - we will just have to see who holds their seats and who doesn't to see how the future of the ALP plays out.... could go anywhere from a "clean out" of union influence, a split or a formal coalition with the greens.....
 
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"I am the best person to lead the Labor Party," Julia Gillard said this morning.

With ALP polling only 30% support and that likely to continue heading south, if we take her statement at face value she must surely be a Liberal stooge.

Don't waste your breath, I'm leading Labor to the election: PM Julia Gillard - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Who better to lead them to defeat? Lots of people seem to conveniently forget KRudd and Rudd the dud. He sure can't win them an election, especially given his egotistical white anting. Who could lead them to a win? Keating or Hawke? But they're long gone.

If anything, just like Howard, she has to stay there to take the fall.
 
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