Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

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So what you're really saying here is that the Libs have handled the campaign in a professional well organized manner and the ALP are a complete shambles and the KRudd presidential it's all about me campaign has been a massive flop.

And yet you think the ALP will run the country better?

Yep. That's what i'm saying. The Economist, which is a lot closer to my politics than either the daily tele or the green left weekly summed it up pretty perfectly "The choice between a man with a defective manifesto and one with a defective personality is not appealing" ... Australia
 
I draw from the well of experience. The last 6 years have been a disaster!

Rudd appears to be capable of making the last 6 years look like a pass mark....nothing appealing about that.
 
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Usually a DD is called when the senate blocks the same legislation from the govt three times. It's called a "double dissolution trigger" when a party (the govt) puts up something they know won't get through but they think the people will favour them so they use it to trigger the DD. I can't recall one since about 1984 but I may be wrong. They were big in the 70s.

a double dissolution can be requested if the senate blocks the same piece of legislation twice in a three month period.

a joint sitting can be requested if the senate blocks the legislation again (effectively a third time) under the new parliament.
 
I draw from the well of experience. The last 6 years have been a disaster!

Here's a simple test. Let's come back in three years time and see if unemployment, interest rates, and national debt are higher or lower.

To suggest the last 6 years have been a "disaster" is just ridiculous. We are tracking better than pretty much any country on earth.
 
Here's a simple test. Let's come back in three years time and see if unemployment, interest rates, and national debt are higher or lower.

To suggest the last 6 years have been a "disaster" is just ridiculous. We are tracking better than pretty much any country on earth.

I know I shouldn't even post in this thread ... but well said!

Michael Pascoe | Hockey closes campaign with a joke

Says it all really.

Remember all the times shadow treasurer Joe Hockey furrowed his brow, shook his jowls and growled that Australia had a budget crisis? Turns out he was only joking.

Either that or his “costings” disclosure is a joke. Or both.

After all the huffing and puffing, Hockeynomics is only proposing a $6 billion improvement in the budget’s cash bottom line over four years. In light of the past four years of hyperbolic fiscal posturing, this is genuinely astounding.
Even if you take year three and four budget projections seriously (and you really can’t, as everyone should now know), that works out to be an average improvement of $1.5 billion a year on a $400 billion budget – all of 0.375 per cent. It’s not even a rounding error. A half-decent Queensland storm can blow that away in half an hour.

By way of comparison, Tony Abbott is blowing $1.8 billion on reviving the novated lease/FBT tax lurk enjoyed by a minority of new car buyers, let alone an even smaller minority of voters. Consider the massive percentage increase in the Coalition’s budget improvement goal that could be obtained by implementing just this one tax policy based on principle and equity instead of subsidising a few salary packaging firms. Hey Joe, do the math.

The only thing stopping me from sitting in the corner crying at the thought of the near certainty of Abbott taking power tomorrow is this article:

TheVine - Why An Abbott Election Victory Would Be Good - Life & pop culture, untangled
 
Yep. That's what i'm saying. The Economist, which is a lot closer to my politics than either the daily tele or the green left weekly summed it up pretty perfectly "The choice between a man with a defective manifesto and one with a defective personality is not appealing" ... Australia

Hmm

"Mr Rudd gets our vote, largely because of Labor’s decent record."

I'm not sure what record they're looking at but from my viewpoint it's been an unmitigated disaster but never mind tomorrow is another day lets see what happens.

Although I like the coalition I'm not a major fan of TA, I think they have done a fantastic job by improving his debating style and I think he came across very well in the debates which was surprising. I just hope he treads carefully with respect to the economy and doesn't try to fix it in a year because my view is that Australia is on the verge of a full scale recession whatever the numbers say people are very cautious with their money at the moment which has repercussions for everyone.

But I think TA deserves a chance to prove himself because Rudd is already a big failure as far as I'm concerned.
 
I'm not sure what record they're looking at but from my viewpoint it's been an unmitigated disaster but never mind tomorrow is another day lets see what happens.

Take the "unmitigated disaster" and compare it to any other country on earth and get back to me.
 
Here's a simple test. Let's come back in three years time and see if unemployment, interest rates, and national debt are higher or lower.

To suggest the last 6 years have been a "disaster" is just ridiculous. We are tracking better than pretty much any country on earth.

Well I'm sure national debt will be lower if history is anything to go by not sure about unemployment but I think interest rates will be higher because they're artificially low at the moment to stimulate the economy which is failing
 
Take the "unmitigated disaster" and compare it to any other country on earth and get back to me.

I think Australia was in a lot better shape than the majority of other countries pre the GFC. Just because they couldn't kill it totally doesn't mean they did a good job.
 
To suggest the last 6 years have been a "disaster" is just ridiculous. We are tracking better than pretty much any country on earth.

One PM sacked....another 1/2 elected PM gets the sack and the loser that got sacked first gets the keys to office again. I agree.....disaster isn't the correct term - it's just ridiculous!

This kinda of kiddy stuff is best left for Russia and Italy......Australia deserves better and looks like getting it in well under 24hrs.
 
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I'm going to bed....need to be fresh for a mighty party we're hosting tomorrow. Should be a fun evening:D:cool::lol:

Good night and remember to vote!
 
Well I'm sure national debt will be lower

No, on the costings released yesterday, national debt will be higher! That's after the hilarity of 6 years of screaming "debt crisis!"
 
I'm going to bed....need to be fresh for a mighty party we're hosting tomorrow. Should be a fun evening:D:cool::lol:

Good night and remember to vote!

Have a great time don't invite too many lefties they're going to be very poor company tomorrow night
 
One PM sacked....another 1/2 elected PM gets the sack and the loser that got sacked first gets the keys to office again. I agree.....disaster isn't the correct term - it's just ridiculous!

This kinda of kiddy stuff is best left for Russia and Italy......Australia deserves better and looks like getting it in well under 24hrs.

Russia is VERY stable. That's the beauty of being a dictatorship.
 
Is it a systemic failure, or just a string of bad die-rolls?
Yeah, it's all about the leader. Doesn't have anything at all to do with the significant shift to the Right of Labor's policy platform over the last decade, such that there's now little of substance to separate them from the Liberals.
 
So what you're really saying here is that the Libs have handled the campaign in a professional well organized manner and the ALP are a complete shambles and the KRudd presidential it's all about me campaign has been a massive flop.

And yet you think the ALP will run the country better?
Yes, for the same reason a car from a company with a great engineering department and poor marketing department will be better than a car from a company with a great marketing department and poor engineering department.

Not that I think Labor will run the country well, just better than the Liberals, who will run it into the ground just like their neoliberal brethren in the rest of the western world have.
 
Here's a simple test. Let's come back in three years time and see if unemployment, interest rates, and national debt are higher or lower.

On top of that, let's throw in some quality of life metrics like GDP per capita, median wage, real wage growth, labor share of profit, home ownership rate, private debt ratio, and GINI coefficient.
 
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