Passing of a Monarch

[AIRwin]

I guess a lot of people will remember where they were when found about HM passing.

I was reading this very thread...

 

[Anna]

So do we have a new Princess of Wales now?

Yes we do. And William is now Prince of Wales.

Meghan is no doubt furious at not bring promoted to princess and at having her mini tour of UK so successfully upstaged by the Queen.

 

[prozac]

Yes we do. And William is now Prince of Wales.

Meghan is no doubt furious at not bring promoted to princess and at having her mini tour of UK so successfully upstaged by the Queen.

That's in her next interview. Something else to hate the royals over.

 

[Pushka]

That's in her next interview. Something else to hate the royals over.

However I reckon she will have even less traction than she had before because anything she says about QE2 will go down like a lead balloon, KC3 seems to have gone over well in UK and he's been very climate aware for as long as I can remember so likely any hatred to QC Camilla (hey @Anna, she flogged that title!) will likewise not go down well and so checkmate.

Princess Anne set the benchmark for grandchildren not having titles. Far too sensible.

 

[RooFlyer]

If anyone doubts the significance and global reach of the event, this from Vladimir Putin to KCIII

And this: In pictures: Sydney darkens opera house as world mourns Queen's death

 

[VPS]

One of the things that puzzles me is the amount of flowers that are placed on occasions like this. A part of me thinks this is a waste because they're not going to last long and then they will rot and someone has to clean them up. The greenie in me thinks they would be better served in planting a tree with the money they paid for the flowers. YMMV

 

[Catweazle]

One of the things that puzzles me is the amount of flowers that are placed on occasions like this. A part of me thinks this is a waste because they're not going to last long and then they will rot and someone has to clean them up. The greenie in me thinks they would be better served in planting a tree with the money they paid for the flowers. YMMV

Last time I bought my grandmother flowers, I bought her an orchid in a pot instead because I figured it would last longer.

Still there today on their kitchen table!

 

[Anna]

George, Charlotte and Louis have had a change of ‘surname’ and are now ‘of Wales’ instead of ‘of Cambridge’. Not to mention they started/resumed school on the day HM died.

I wonder if on the occasions when William is not present, Kate still has to defer to Beatrice and Eugénie who were born as princesses and therefore outranked Kate. But now Kate has her own princess title. But she could have previously used Princess William except everyone would have laughed (see also, Princess Michael of Kent). Such weird rules.

 

[VPS]

George, Charlotte and Louis have had a change of ‘surname’ and are now ‘of Wales’ instead of ‘of Cambridge’. Not to mention they started/resumed school on the day HM died.

I wonder if on the occasions when William is not present, Kate still has to defer to Beatrice and Eugénie who were born as princesses and therefore outranked Kate. But now Kate has her own princess title. But she could have previously used Princess William except everyone would have laughed (see also, Princess Michael of Kent). Such weird rules.

I'm not certain but I think Kate went above Beatrice and Eugenie in the pecking order and I think I remember reading that Megan will have to curtsy to Kate but I could be wrong because I don't care that much about the infighting cough

 

[andye]

If you are interested this seems to be the UK Order of Precedence (admittedly from 1818) for Princesses and so on

Precedence

www.chinet.com

The Wikipedia entry however suggests its now more to do with relation to queen than title

Orders of precedence in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Table 1 (but not wiki) suggests Kate potentially outranked by Beatrice and Eugenie until the Queen's death (multiple edits )

On a similar matter Wikipedia suggests monarchs are ranked in order of length of reign so the UK Head of State will have had a dip in diplomatic ranking

The 1818 document doesn't have an entry for Prime Minister (presumably assuming he would have other titles) but now he or she only outranked by Royal Family, Lord High Chancellor and Archbishops

 

[Anna]

It's all confusing because Kate's order depends whether William is there or not. If he is, she ranks with him. If he's not, I'm not sure where she fits any more.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It's all confusing because Kate's order depends whether William is there or not. If he is, she ranks with him. If he's not, I'm not sure where she fits any more.

down the track if william was king and no longer there, kate would potentially become the queen mother, if that title was bestowed upon her by the new king.

dunno where that sits in the pecking order!

 

[prozac]

George, Charlotte and Louis have had a change of ‘surname’ and are now ‘of Wales’ instead of ‘of Cambridge’. Not to mention they started/resumed school on the day HM died.

...

Now Kate will need to change all the names written on their books.

It's all confusing because Kate's order depends whether William is there or not. If he is, she ranks with him. If he's not, I'm not sure where she fits any more.

View it a bit like traveling with your spouse who has a Eu passport when yours is garden variety Aussie. In Europe, if traveling with them, you pass through immigration as if you also hold an Eu passport. When on your own you queue with the rest of the hoi polloi.

 

[prozac]

@Anna, I am still intrigued by the change of QC to KC. Makes perfect sense but strange at the same time. You'd almost think you would grandfather the title but then that doesn't account for only grandfather's, and g.mother's who hold the title now.

EDIT: Just discovered since around 2000 title reverted from SC back to QC in some states (Qld, S.A., and also Vic?) for commercial reasons.

 

[Anna]

@Anna, I am still intrigued by the change of QC to KC. Makes perfect sense but strange at the same time. You'd almost think you would grandfather the title but then that doesn't account for only grandfather's, and g.mother's who hold the title now.

EDIT: Just discovered since around 2000 title reverted from SC back to QC in some states (Qld, S.A., and also Vic?) for commercial reasons.

Not sure what the first para means sorry. As to the second para, the states and territories had and still have differing approaches, with differing degrees of controversy.

 

[prozac]

Not sure what the first para means sorry. As to the second para, the states and territories had and still have differing approaches, with differing degrees of controversy.

With the older change from QC to SC I thought, erroneously perhaps, that only older legals held the title QC?

 

[SYD]

@Anna, I am still intrigued by the change of QC to KC. Makes perfect sense but strange at the same time. You'd almost think you would grandfather the title but then that doesn't account for only grandfather's, and g.mother's who hold the title now.

EDIT: Just discovered since around 2000 title reverted from SC back to QC in some states (Qld, S.A., and also Vic?) for commercial reasons.

The Navies of the Commonwealth kept it simple HM Ships - His/Her Majesties (Au/NZ) Ship…

 

[DC3]

… for commercial reasons

QC/SC = $$$$$$$$.

 

[prozac]

QC/SC = $$$$$$$$.

Apparently they considered they were at a disadvantage to UK based legals when bidding for work in Asia where the title QC would win the work over a local SC titled lawyer.

 

[Anna]

With the older change from QC to SC I thought, erroneously perhaps, that only older legals held the title QC?

Ah I see. That may be true in NSW, as I believe in NSW everyone appointed has been appointed only as SC since about 1993. Not true in SA or in any other state where the appointee can choose to seek the royal letters patent or not, depending on their personal preference. (In other words they initially get appointed as SC, but then they can choose whether or not to get the royal appointment documents and use the royal postnominal).