Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[antycbr]

It is time to start helping out some more....

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States informed increased international arrivals 'a decision, not a proposal'


Scott Morrison told reporters earlier that increased passengers from overseas will be landing in Australia's states and territories whether leaders like it or not.

Australia will raise its weekly cap on international arrivals from 4000 to 6000 from Friday next week, with state leaders agreeing to increase – and in some cases, double – their weekly intake to help get the more than 26,000 Aussies still stranded overseas home.


"We've lifted the caps up not all the way up to where they were before, but I hope to get to that position in the not-to-distant future because we've got to enable more Australians to come back, we've got past that initial crisis," the PM said earlier today.

Queensland, NSW and WA will take an extra 500 passengers each week, while SA will take 360 – with Mr Morrison saying they'll be forced to accept the new arrivals.

"Everyone will just do their job. The plane will land, with people on them, and they will be arriving. It's a decision, it's not a proposal.

"The Commonwealth Government has made a decision, that those caps have been moved to those levels and planes will be able to fly to those ports carrying that many passengers a week."

New cluster spread through rule-breakers

Prime Minister Scott Morrison today announced his plans to bring some 24,000 stranded Australians home from overseas - but WA Premier Mark McGowan revealed his state won't be taking part.

www.news.com.au

He can literally push them out the terminal doors where the AFP responsibility ends and the states starts.

Well played scomo.

 

[TheRealTMA]

It is time to start helping out some more....

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States informed increased international arrivals 'a decision, not a proposal'


Scott Morrison told reporters earlier that increased passengers from overseas will be landing in Australia's states and territories whether leaders like it or not.

Australia will raise its weekly cap on international arrivals from 4000 to 6000 from Friday next week, with state leaders agreeing to increase – and in some cases, double – their weekly intake to help get the more than 26,000 Aussies still stranded overseas home.


"We've lifted the caps up not all the way up to where they were before, but I hope to get to that position in the not-to-distant future because we've got to enable more Australians to come back, we've got past that initial crisis," the PM said earlier today.

Queensland, NSW and WA will take an extra 500 passengers each week, while SA will take 360 – with Mr Morrison saying they'll be forced to accept the new arrivals.

"Everyone will just do their job. The plane will land, with people on them, and they will be arriving. It's a decision, it's not a proposal.

"The Commonwealth Government has made a decision, that those caps have been moved to those levels and planes will be able to fly to those ports carrying that many passengers a week."

New cluster spread through rule-breakers

Prime Minister Scott Morrison today announced his plans to bring some 24,000 stranded Australians home from overseas - but WA Premier Mark McGowan revealed his state won't be taking part.

www.news.com.au

Yes but not all States are on board. Seems to be no negotiation or agreements. Doesn’t seem to be thought out very well.

State leaders 'not children for Canberra to boss around', WA Premier says

WA Premier Mark McGowan says state and territory leaders "are not children for [Canberra] to boss around", as his row with the Prime Minister over plans to increase the number of returning travellers deepens.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Pushka]

Yes but not all States are on board. Seems to be no negotiation or agreements. Doesn’t seem to be thought out very well.

State leaders 'not children for Canberra to boss around', WA Premier says

WA Premier Mark McGowan says state and territory leaders "are not children for [Canberra] to boss around", as his row with the Prime Minister over plans to increase the number of returning travellers deepens.

www.abc.net.au

Maybe there has been too much thinking and not enough action being given to behaving as a Nation. If it was left to the states then no traveller would be allowed to come home.

 

[jakeseven7]

Maybe there has been too much thinking and not enough action being given to behaving as a Nation. If it was left to the states then no traveller would be allowed to come home.

It has also been discussed as a challenge and something that needed to happen at National Cabinet and the states have sat around on their bottoms doing not much at all since, WA, SA in particular who haven't exactly been run off their feet doing much meaningful in helping the country manage Covid, Qld a little bit and NSW of course managing a deep suppression stage and taking the lions share of passengers.

It is hardly a surprise to the states the Feds have said well too bad here it is then. I'm sure they will cope.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Maybe there has been too much thinking and not enough action being given to behaving as a Nation. If it was left to the states then no traveller would be allowed to come home.

Isn’t it about a rational negotiated outcome rather then one side trying to coerce or ignore the other? Difficult for the current set of politicians.

Isn’t that what National Cabinet was supposed to be all about?

 

[Brettmcg]

In case you're interested and have some time (we have plenty in Melbourne at the moment), have a listen to the evidence given by Prof Brett Sutton (CHO Vic) and Dr Annaliese van Diemen (ex-DCHO Vic) at the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry yesterday (16SEP20).

Completely separate from the political elements, their insights into how the hotel quarantine program came into being and the other options that were on the table and might be considered in the future were quite interesting. In particular, a stratified risk system similar to what Princess Fiona outlined above.

The lawyer assisting the inquiry absolutely grilled Dr van Diemen about the legitimacy of compulsorily detaining travellers about whom little was known in terms of travel and port of embarkation, and onward travel destination. It almost sounded like he was mounting an argument to scrap the hotel quarantine program in favour of other, more nuanced approaches moving forward!

 

[OATEK]

Isn’t it about a rational negotiated outcome rather then one side trying to coerce or ignore the other? Difficult for the current set of politicians.

Isn’t that what National Cabinet was supposed to be all about?

That bird flew the coop long ago.

 

[dajop]

NSW of course managing a deep suppression stage and taking the lions share of passengers.

Strictly in terms of inbound quarantine, SA has been taking a share of passengers almost the same as NSW adjusting for population. If you do the math as to the number of passengers the states are taking per day (according to cap) prorated to the NSW population it would NSW: 350, SA:330, WA:230, QLD: 113

 

[I love to travel]

That bird flew the coop long ago.

Of course the states who do not agree have an easy workaround..... quarantine now cost $20000. Feds can't control that and consumers will boycott those states and return to desired state after the 2 weeks in most cases.

 

[jakeseven7]

Strictly in terms of inbound quarantine, SA has been taking a share of passengers almost the same as NSW adjusting for population. If you do the math as to the number of passengers the states are taking per day (according to cap) prorated to the NSW population it would NSW: 350, SA:330, WA:230, QLD: 113

I know but why do we have to look at population comparisons? They can jump on a domestic flight once they clear quarantine... WA and SA are dead, their hotels are empty. They aren't managing anything covid related in the community. Their health staff are probably knocking off at 3 every day and going to the beach , I think WA has like 3 or 4 cases. Cmon.... as a nation we can do better. Sometimes when someone stumbled you pick up the slack and do a bit more work.

 

[dajop]

I know but why do we have to look at population comparisons?

Just using it as a crude measure of economic capacity to deal with the quarantine facilities. But your point is well taken. I'm trying to be objective, because as they say I have "skin in the game" in wanting the capacity to go to 18,000 and not just 6,000 a week

 

[antycbr]

Isn’t it about a rational negotiated outcome rather then one side trying to bully or coerce the other? Difficult for the current set of politicians.

Isn’t that what National Cabinet was supposed to be all about?

It was before, but now we need to make some sort of actual decisions. These are Australian Citizens and have the right to return. Given the lack of constructive support I don’t blame the PM one bit. He’s tried constructive and it didn’t work.

As for one side ignoring the other - have a look at the Queensland, WA and Tasmanian Premiers who all refuse to sign up to an agriculture mobility code, assist with hotel quarantine for international passengers or engage with the Commonwealth definition of a hotspot.

I am amazed that the Prime Minister has held out so long.

 

[dajop]

These are Australian Citizens and have the right to return.

No we don't! We should have come back and stayed put in March. We are all overpaid and do not deserve to return either to visit loved ones, or to return permanently. Too bad, so sad.

(read the comments section in some of the online media, this is the popular sentiment that our decision makers are responding to)

 

[Pushka]

Isn’t it about a rational negotiated outcome rather then one side trying to coerce or ignore the other? Difficult for the current set of politicians.

Isn’t that what National Cabinet was supposed to be all about?

For goodness sake, how many months do we have to wait before everyone puts on the big person pants and just gets a solution.

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In case you're interested and have some time (we have plenty in Melbourne at the moment), have a listen to the evidence given by Prof Brett Sutton (CHO Vic) and Dr Annaliese van Diemen (ex-DCHO Vic) at the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry yesterday (16SEP20).

Completely separate from the political elements, their insights into how the hotel quarantine program came into being and the other options that were on the table and might be considered in the future were quite interesting. In particular, a stratified risk system similar to what Princess Fiona outlined above.

The lawyer assisting the inquiry absolutely grilled Dr van Diemen about the legitimacy of compulsorily detaining travellers about whom little was known in terms of travel and port of embarkation, and onward travel destination. It almost sounded like he was mounting an argument to scrap the hotel quarantine program in favour of other, more nuanced approaches moving forward!

Sorry. Dr Van Diemen lost me at Captain Cook in the very first stages of the pandemic when Australia was in chaos. Wrong focus.

 

[drron]

The release after last friday's National cabinet meeting said all States had agreed to increase the cap on returning travellers from 4000-6000.All States agreed.But the numbers for each State was not decided.One Premier in particular seems to believe it should be by all other States except his.

 

[Pushka]

No we don't! We should have come back and stayed put in March. We are all overpaid and do not deserve to return either to visit loved ones, or to return permanently. Too bad, so sad.

(read the comments section in some of the online media, this is the popular sentiment that our decision makers are responding to)

That's a simplistic response to a very complicated situation for many. (Oops, missed the sarcasm )

 

[jeza]

I know but why do we have to look at population comparisons? They can jump on a domestic flight once they clear quarantine... WA and SA are dead, their hotels are empty. They aren't managing anything covid related in the community. Their health staff are probably knocking off at 3 every day and going to the beach , I think WA has like 3 or 4 cases. Cmon.... as a nation we can do better. Sometimes when someone stumbled you pick up the slack and do a bit more work.

2000 in Quarantine in WA

 

[Brettmcg]

Sorry. Dr Van Diemen lost me at Captain Cook in the very first stages of the pandemic when Australia was in chaos. Wrong focus.

I think you've completely missed the point of my post...

 

[TheRealTMA]

The release after last friday's National cabinet meeting said all States had agreed to increase the cap on returning travellers from 4000-6000.All States agreed.But the numbers for each State was not decided.One Premier in particular seems to believe it should be by all other States except his.

Could you provide a link to the minutes or report please.

 

[Pushka]

I think you've completely missed the point of my post...

Likely. I see that name and it fries my brain