Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[mrsterryn]

At the risk of sounding trite i think people just want some idea what is going to happen when . Yes before I am lambasted for stating the obvious I know it isn't possible. However logic isn't always there
I miss USA for a very close friend whom I have now missed two quick trips to see her and her family and Dec is cancelled
I miss UK for itself
I miss the ability to plan holidays even just the fun of airy fairy.
Regardless of the dates I just wish we could have definite ones .

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

letting the economy go to sh** instead of trying to find a strategy to live with this

Because alternate strategy models predicate decisions about letting Xn people die.
Politicians are elected by people.. not dollars.. and they are choosing to avoid mass genocide.
I guess there may , conceptually, be a political movement that prioritises economic comfort over lives.. some posters here may be founding members.
Savvy state politicians , reading the polls, have decided to be so cautious it is painful..BUT THE THE POLLS ARE TELLING THEM THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT…..
Y'all want something different.. get elected….

Mass Genocide?

The death rates now are not what they used to be imo.

 

[hb13]

letting the economy go to sh** instead of trying to find a strategy to live with this

Because alternate strategy models predicate decisions about letting Xn people die.
Politicians are elected by people.. not dollars.. and they are choosing to avoid mass genocide.
I guess there may , conceptually, be a political movement that prioritises economic comfort over lives.. some posters here may be founding members.
Savvy state politicians , reading the polls, have decided to be so cautious it is painful..BUT THE THE POLLS ARE TELLING THEM THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT…..
Y'all want something different.. get elected….

The economy failing has a massive impact on the health and wellbeing of the society.

The fact that you are mentioning mass genocide - lol. I don't even know what to say.

 

[ayushamity]

If the first batch of vaccines don't work, I fully expect there to be a reassessment of how we are going to deal with covid.

If that is the case, it will still take till end of 2021 to get mass vaccinated. Which is too long to just stop international travel completely.

And if it doesn't work, there goes another year because all the other vaccines are about a year behind.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

The gov is saying wait will vaccine which is ABSOLUTE FKIN BS

NO OTHER COUNTRY is waiting for a vaccine to resume normal life. My friends in the states are absolutely shocked that Australia, a progressive country can do this - They use words like 'Beyond Stupid', 'Extreme' etc

It is now clear that the end goal is a vaccine and the Aussie gov is prepared to wait it out. However, long it takes

Agree with this, my mates back in the UK are taking holidays to Greece etc, meanwhile AU gov website literally states "You cannot leave Australia"

 

[I love to travel]

Agree with this, my mates back in the UK are taking holidays to Greece etc, meanwhile AU gov website literally states "You are cannot leave"

And the UK and Europe are now paying for their summer of fun and travel.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

And the UK and Europe are now paying for their summer of fun and travel.

cases are high in the uk but deaths / hospitalisations are low. If people want to make decisions as adults I think you should need a really really strong reason to stop them doing so

 

[Pushka]

At the risk of sounding trite i think people just want some idea what is going to happen when . Yes before I am lambasted for stating the obvious I know it isn't possible. However logic isn't always there
I miss USA for a very close friend whom I have now missed two quick trips to see her and her family and Dec is cancelled
I miss UK for itself
I miss the ability to plan holidays even just the fun of airy fairy.
Regardless of the dates I just wish we could have definite ones .

I think we are agreeing on that we miss or maybe grieving normal life and don't know if we will ever get it back.

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And the UK and Europe are now paying for their summer of fun and travel.

Let's wait and see if that is reflected in the death rate curve.

 

[hb13]

At the risk of sounding trite i think people just want some idea what is going to happen when . Yes before I am lambasted for stating the obvious I know it isn't possible. However logic isn't always there
I miss USA for a very close friend whom I have now missed two quick trips to see her and her family and Dec is cancelled
I miss UK for itself
I miss the ability to plan holidays even just the fun of airy fairy.
Regardless of the dates I just wish we could have definite ones .

I miss browsing google flights for great deals

 

[jakeseven7]

cases are high in the uk but deaths / hospitalisations are low.

That’s not quite accurate, in the north of England that has been hardest hit and further ‘ahead’in the second wave, around Liverpool for example - has ICUs 90% full and predicted to reach capacity next week.

I hope you are right for the sake of the rest of the UK but it isn’t looking great.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

That’s not quite accurate, in the north of England that has been hardest hit and further ‘ahead’in the second wave, around Liverpool for example - has ICUs 90% full and predicted to reach capacity next week.

I hope you are right for the sake of the rest of the UK but it isn’t looking great.

all my family is in the north of england, nightgale hostpitals still sitting empty, while my dads hernia op is delayed nearly a year now

 

[jakeseven7]

all my family is in the north of england, nightgale hostpitals still sitting empty, while my dads hernia op is delayed nearly a year now

I have family there too, I’m sorry for your dad.
It’s a terrible time up there in the North It’s really overwhelmed them

 

[Pushka]

My sons In law family are in that area. Wedding reception at Liverpool. A fab area of UK. I think of It often. I loved our time there.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

cases are high in the uk but deaths / hospitalisations are low. If people want to make decisions as adults I think you should need a really really strong reason to stop them doing so

As p--and--t questioned in another thread... is the virus really less virulent, or have the most vulnerable already been hardest hit? 43K+ covid deaths in the UK is a lot of at-risk people already out of the equation

 

[33kft]

Whilst I empathise with those who want to open up overseas travel for personal reasons, lets be honest about the situation. When you let it get away from you, sure, maybe it won't kill as many people as feared and maybe it won't overwhelm the health system, maybe it will be better for the economy or maybe it won't. Different people have been claiming victory on behalf of Europe (in particular Sweden) and the US for some time now.

But what it does do is cut us entirely out of the league of countries who kept it under control, and we're in that group now, and it consists of a majority of our regional trading partners. The fact that we along with NZ, parts of SE Asia, Japan and a bunch of Pacific nations can effecitvely open up international travel would be completely cut off if we just allowed US or EU travel and went in to "live with it" mode.

And I am not convinced that the business case for doing this is anything more than self serving. I've had plenty of time to read opinions here in Melbourne having been locked up since March and I can tell you, very few of them are any more than one dimensional. Scratch the surface a bit as happens in waves in this thread right here and the theme you keep coming back to is - every claim of victory or righteousness on the topic of COVID looks mighty tenuous when you start looking at it from other angles/metrics, and ultimately everyone equally feels their situation deserves some leniency.

 

[drron]

Though remarkably there is at least one example of how this pandemic should have been handled.As I have consistently said-Taiwan.They have not set out to eliminate the virus but aggressively suppress it.This has been successful and done without a drastic lockdown.Currently now 535 cases with 7 deaths.And in a country with a population of 23.6 million.
The centrepiece is an aggressive contact tracing system and well managed isolation.NSW is the closest state to this example after initial stumbles.

As to the changing hospital admission and death rates the possible major reason is the fall in the average age of Covid patients as I posted elsewhere.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/06/dr-anthony-fauci-says-the-average-age-of-us-coronavirus-patients-has-dropped-by-15-years-as-sun-belt-states-gets-hit.html

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Though remarkably there is at least one example of how this pandemic should have been handled.As I have consistently said-Taiwan.They have not set out to eliminate the virus but aggressively suppress it.This has been successful and done without a drastic lockdown.Currently now 535 cases with 7 deaths.And in a country with a population of 23.6 million.
The centrepiece is an aggressive contact tracing system and well managed isolation.NSW is the closest state to this example after initial stumbles.

To get Taiwan's outcomes it seems you need a compliant population. Is that even possible in Australia?

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Whilst I empathise with those who want to open up overseas travel for personal reasons, lets be honest about the situation. When you let it get away from you, sure, maybe it won't kill as many people as feared and maybe it won't overwhelm the health system, maybe it will be better for the economy or maybe it won't. Different people have been claiming victory on behalf of Europe (in particular Sweden) and the US for some time now.

But what it does do is cut us entirely out of the league of countries who kept it under control, and we're in that group now, and it consists of a majority of our regional trading partners. The fact that we along with NZ, parts of SE Asia, Japan and a bunch of Pacific nations can effecitvely open up international travel would be completely cut off if we just allowed US or EU travel and went in to "live with it" mode.

And I am not convinced that the business case for doing this is anything more than self serving. I've had plenty of time to read opinions here in Melbourne having been locked up since March and I can tell you, very few of them are any more than one dimensional. Scratch the surface a bit as happens in waves in this thread right here and the theme you keep coming back to is - every claim of victory or righteousness on the topic of COVID looks mighty tenuous when you start looking at it from other angles/metrics, and ultimately everyone equally feels their situation deserves some leniency.

What use is being in this league of countries if trade / travel with them is not happening, NZ is being whispered about but the minute someone sneezes on board the whole thing is going to get shut down.

as I said in a prior post, i'm not saying go open slather and bring back kissing booths i'm saying we need a good/great approach instead of going for this "perfect" 0 case approach

 

[drron]

To get Taiwan's outcomes it seems you need a compliant population. Is that even possible in Australia?

Not quite true.If they were such a compliant population why do they use GPS tracking on everyone.vision of those in isolation or quarantine much easier.In an example I have given before if in hotel quarantine and your phone battery dies hence there bein no GPS signal expect a knock on the door from a policeman within 20 minutes.
This proceedure gets over the problem that a few on here worry about with home isolation of people coming and visiting you.The authorities will even know who it is.

 

[33kft]

What use is being in this league of countries if trade / travel with them is not happening, NZ is being whispered about but the minute someone sneezes on board the whole thing is going to get shut down.

New Zealand flights landed in Australia yesterday, so it's a little more than whispered about. Already we have inbound travel from NZ. outbound travel being offered to Singapore, Singapore have already got a 2 way bubble with Hong Kong and Japan is coming up, and there are probably others I don't know of.

I don't see us putting all of this at risk for some country that didn't even try and keep it under control.