Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[DC3]

This articles talks in terms of those with a significant history:

“... the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination ...”

UK warns patients with severe allergies to avoid COVID-19 vaccine after two patients have reactions

Two people in the UK who received the COVID-19 vaccine and have a history of allergies have had a serious adverse reaction, prompting a warning from the medical regulator.

www.abc.net.au

 

[DC3]

... All of them can share ideas, put forward proposals, write to MPs

Hmmmmm

 

[ayushamity]

Canada just approved the Pfizer vax. 250,000 doses available this month.

 

[DC3]

Canada just approved the Pfizer vax. 250,000 doses available this month.

Canada is onto this. So, will Oz be next?

I read somewhere that Oz may not get the vax before March 2021, although I don’t recall why the delay.

 

[ayushamity]

Oz will only get the Pfizer vaccines in March because that is when it will arrive in the country. We were quite late to securing the Pfizer dose.

Oxford would theoretically be available from January but considering that the Oxford trials do not conclude until end of Jan, hard to see it being approved prior to March as well.

We hedged our bets heavily on Oxford which did not work out as well as Pfizer

 

[CityRail]

Oz will only get the Pfizer vaccines in March because that is when it will arrive in the country. We were quite late to securing the Pfizer dose.

Oxford would theoretically be available from January but considering that the Oxford trials do not conclude until end of Jan, hard to see it being approved prior to March as well.

We hedged our bets heavily on Oxford which did not work out as well as Pfizer

So it seems things can open up quite quickly come Easter 2021 then.
Because the Oxford Vaccine is manufacturing right now and plus Pfizer vaccine which we can see a couple of million people vaccinated by Easter, and hopefully become more widely available by Queen's birthday 2021.

 

[ayushamity]

So it seems things can open up quite quickly come Easter 2021 then.

Yes. I am planning to go overseas in April/May. Both USA and UK (the main culprits in rocketing overseas cases) plan to have their entire population vaccinated by then.

Once their infection rates go down, the word would be a less dangerous place in the eyes of the federal government and we should be opening up.

The limiting factor in opening up international borders is infection rates overseas, not availability of vaccine in Australia. So we really need overseas to vaccinate ASAP so that we can open up to them.

 

[dajop]

The limiting factor in opening up international borders is infection rates overseas, not availability of vaccine in Australia. So we really need overseas to vaccinate ASAP so that we can open up to them.

I admire your optimisim. So what happens if you come from a country that hasn't vaccinated yet, because it has exceedingly low infection rates? Do you open to a country in that has been having hundreds of thousands a cases a week but has 50% vaccination rates, but still keep borders shut to a country that is having 1-2 cases a week with no vaccinations yet?

 

[ayushamity]

I admire your optimisim. So what happens if you come from a country that hasn't vaccinated yet, because it has exceedingly low infection rates? Do you open to a country in that has been having hundreds of thousands a cases a week but has 50% vaccination rates, but still keep borders shut to a country that is having 1-2 cases a week with no vaccinations yet?

It's obvious. Have a threshold for infection rates before open up to them

If the infection rates are still above the threshold even after 50% vaccination (i.e. USA), don't open to them

If the infection rates are essentially zero for countries even without vaccinations (like Vietnam. Singapore etc), open up to them

They should really be creating travel bubbled with zero infection rates countries now but I think this is on hold as its only a couple more months till a vaccine. So seeing the result of vaccines on high risk countries first.

Remember, vaccines do not stop transmission. So you can't just allow overseas travel for vaccinated people because they will just catch it overseas and bring it back here and spread it.

 

[RAM]

This articles talks in terms of those with a significant history:

“... the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination ...”

UK warns patients with severe allergies to avoid COVID-19 vaccine after two patients have reactions

Two people in the UK who received the COVID-19 vaccine and have a history of allergies have had a serious adverse reaction, prompting a warning from the medical regulator.

www.abc.net.au

That's not helpful.

I was surprised to hear how many primary school children are now listed as 'at risk with severe responses' - three years back talking with our local public school principal I asked about their introduction of no nuts/products allowed to be brought to the school in 2010. She replied that now (2017) a typical class has three children with their own epi pens, and of more concern they'd had 9 instances so far that term of teachers using them (around Wk 7 or 8).

Silver lining - delaying vaccine to under 20s not anywhere near as bad an outcome.

Did make me wonder though how families with such children get on carrying the epi pens on international flights etc?

 

[drron]

These allergic reactions have occurred with the M-RNA vaccines-Pfizer and Moderna.
They are a type of vaccine which has not been used before so there is no long history of use.It is not surprising that some side effects will become obvious with more widespread use.If given the choice I will not have one of these vaccines.

The Oxford vaccine is old technology and therefore likely to be less surprises.I believe CSL is manufacturing the Oxford vaccine therefore should be available here soon after it is certified.

One of our surrogate grandkids carries an EpiPen and no problems on many OS flights having it with her.

 

[jakeseven7]

It's obvious. Have a threshold for infection rates before open up to them

If the infection rates are still above the threshold even after 50% vaccination (i.e. USA), don't open to them

If the infection rates are essentially zero for countries even without vaccinations (like Vietnam. Singapore etc), open up to them

They should really be creating travel bubbled with zero infection rates countries now but I think this is on hold as its only a couple more months till a vaccine. So seeing the result of vaccines on high risk countries first.

Remember, vaccines do not stop transmission. So you can't just allow overseas travel for vaccinated people because they will just catch it overseas and bring it back here and spread it.

Suspect we will be waiting a very long time for countries that have been decimated by the virus like the US and UK to be open for travel here.... Probably now more like 2022.....

 

[CityRail]

PM: Vaccine could come early

A coronavirus vaccine could arrive in Australia earlier than promised, the Prime Minister says.

www.news.com.au

I really hope that the Government can speed up as much as possible so that we can have vaccines before March 2020, preferably after Australia Day so that we can open the borders as soon as possible and allow us to go back to where we come from!

 

[dajop]

PM: Vaccine could come early

A coronavirus vaccine could arrive in Australia earlier than promised, the Prime Minister says.

www.news.com.au

I really hope that the Government can speed up as much as possible so that we can have vaccines before March 2020, preferably after Australia Day so that we can open the borders as soon as possible and allow us to go back to where we come from!

All of the advice in all sorts of places on the internet (I've even seen it discussed in an article in the mainstream media) is that you can seek exemption on the basis of being out of the country for at least 3 months (and that tickets are not checked to verify this). Doing this is by far the best chance you have of going back to where you come from before Easter, before March, before Australia Day or possibly even before New Years Day.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

All of the advice in all sorts of places on the internet (I've even seen it discussed in an article in the mainstream media) is that you can seek exemption on the basis of being out of the country for at least 3 months (and that tickets are not checked to verify this). Doing this is by far the best chance you have of going back to where you come from before Easter, before March, before Australia Day or possibly even before New Years Day.

You forgot before Christmas and even possibly before next week

 

[jakeseven7]

PM: Vaccine could come early

A coronavirus vaccine could arrive in Australia earlier than promised, the Prime Minister says.

www.news.com.au

I really hope that the Government can speed up as much as possible so that we can have vaccines before March 2020, preferably after Australia Day so that we can open the borders as soon as possible and allow us to go back to where we come from!

Confused... what is stopping you from leaving?

 

[CityRail]

Confused... what is stopping you from leaving?

Need to quarantine on arrival and when coming back, need to quarantine as well.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Need to quarantine on arrival and when coming back, need to quarantine as well.

So we can’t fix the former totally out-with the control of the Australian government and entirely up to you when you return and our arrival requirements are to your statisfaction,
You can leave now, zero issue as long as you are out of Australia for 3 months or longer. You do not require any changes to border policy, no protests, no class actions. Just go.

 

[Ric]

This is going to pi$$ off a few here.....prisoners amongst the first to receive the vaccine!

Prisoners to be among the first to receive COVID vaccine in Australia

Prisoners and people with chronic obesity will be among the first people to receive a COVID-19 vaccine when...

www.9news.com.au

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Need to quarantine on arrival and when coming back, need to quarantine as well.

So we can’t fix the former totally out-with the control of the Australian government and entirely up to you when you return and our arrival requirements are to your statisfaction,
You can leave now, zero issue as long as you are out of Australia for 3 months or longer. You do not require any changes to border policy, no protests, no class actions. Just go.

Well it would be nice if you only complained about where you are travelling to (your arrival country/destination) since that’s the main thing stopping you evacuating. There is nothing the Australian government or any State/Territory governments can do about that. Australia has virtually zero local active cases.