Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[jakeseven7]

Do you trust your Government to look after your best interests?

Sure Mr Qanon

 

[dajop]

310,000 cases and 900 deaths.

And no borders slamming shut! No widespread panic or people wearing masks. People were free to travel as they wished.

Covid in Australia 28,700 cases and 909 deaths.

I'm not sure what you're saying with these comparisons. A bit of an apples vs oranges comparison.

But if what you're saying is that If we can get to a case were COVID creates 310,000 cases and only 900 deaths Australia wide, with no control measures other vaccinations for most and people staying at home when they're sick, then we should be in a good place, to return to normal.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Yeah welcome to North Korea (or former USSR)!

The question is how do we avoid this happening? Not much luck with the QLD election, not sure when the next Fed election is. Does anyone besides Gladys have any common sense?

And it doesn't help with the news media making a big fuss over each case and stirring up people's fears. I wonder why am I not afraid? I watch the news, I am more worried about the instability of travel and borders than the actual Covid. Mental health is being pushed to the back in favour of physical health.

The NSW Premier indicates agreement to at least 1, 2, 3, and 9 on the list - and possibly 4 given the last National Cabinet.

 

[Tiki]

Do you trust your Government to look after your best interests?

Not now. I trust them to look after their own interests first and that of who they THINK are voting for them. But I think reasonable adults should be trusted to look after their own interests. Life will never be risk free. We can take away cars, stop all the road toll. Take away alcohol, stop domestic violence and drink driving. Take away everything that has ever caused someone to die. People have died scuba diving, mountain climbing, swimming in the sea. What are we supposed to do?

Back in the last pandemic 1919, people rarely left their own communities so lack of travel was not an issue. Now the world is so globalized. We are used to a different kind of mobility and freedom.

I am not saying this should happen tomorrow. But once say 70% of the population is vaccinated would be reasonable.

 

[oznflfan]

Most countries that Aussies want to visit have vaccination programs in progress, At least there should be a universally agreed on standard. Like if 70% of population vaccinated country is green-lighted. And again, if all Australians are vaccinated or at least the majority are, it doesn't matter what other countries do.

How to the feds keep track of who is fully vaccinated (both doses) over 2021, is it lodged on Medibank records? And bet the percentage required to open up will keep rising with the 'carrot' of letting us out the prize. Vaccinations will also take longer than planned, everything always takes longer. I'd be surprised if everyone is vaccinated as planned by Christmas this year.

Irrespective of everything, I'm booking on QFF in August this year return trip to Singapore leaving Oz Saturday 2nd July 2022. maybe 2 or 2.5 weeks. Just to keep me sane and something to look forward to. From Singapore cash fare somewhere else, maybe Cambodia, Vietnam, maybe even Poland if Europe is on the cards.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

But I think reasonable adults should be trusted to look after their own interests.

But once say 70% of the population is vaccinated would be reasonable.

What if 70% of the population doesn't want to? What if Governments are wrong on the entire approach to this? How often are Governments spot-on with your best interests? What if the way out of this mess is to open up the world, right now - today - without any further restrictions?

Governments, WHO and others are saying even after vaccines - masks and social distancing will be a thing for years to come. If so, what's the point of all these lockdowns? Look at Italy - restaurants opening up again and refusing to listen to the Gov. Similar themes in other parts of the world where the people are standing up for their rights as human beings.

 

[Must...Fly!]

How to the feds keep track of who is fully vaccinated (both doses) over 2021, is it lodged on Medibank records?

Something I've been wondering about too, presumably those opted in to My Health Record will help.

There will be quite a few people who get immunised at one clinic, but then might be due for the second dose while on the other side of the country.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

What if the way out of this mess is to open up the world, right now - today - without any further restrictions?

It isn't.

 

[N860CR]

Something I've been wondering about too, presumably those opted in to My Health Record will help.

Ah forgot about that little, largely failed scheme. I’m sure it’ll become compulsory now

 

[Batterytraveller]

For those wondering how vaccines are recorded it’s the National Immunisation Register, I presume it’s also linked to My Health Record if you didn’t opt out.

Australian Immunisation Register - Services Australia

The national register where your vaccinations are recorded.

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au

 

[Port Power]

For those wondering how vaccines are recorded it’s the National Immunisation Register, I presume it’s also linked to My Health Record if you didn’t opt out.

Australian Immunisation Register - Services Australia

The national register where your vaccinations are recorded.

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au

I think the National Immunisation Register is also linked to Medicare, so you would have immunisation linked to your Medicare number. This is not My Health Record. You can log into your Medicare account and see a list of every doctor’s visit where you have been billed a Medicare item (whether privately paid or bulk billed). However I can’t see this happening if there are big “town hall” type vaccinations like in the 50s and 60s as it would slow progression. So take your little yellow immunisation book, which you will need for overseas travel and return anyway.

 

[RAM]

I'm hoping down the track it's an 'either' 'or' scenario... either a negative test or proof of covid vaccination. Requiring both would seem unnecessary.

I really hope they've thought this through as there were some stories months ago in the US about 'fake' CV test certificates being sold online. Actual results certificates/reports then scanned and edited to produce the desired name, dates etc.

Another fly in the ointment still remains that the 'vaccines' have not been tested to see if they make someone immune.

The rapid phase 3 trials only tested to see if they reduced the outcomes - not how the outcome was arrived at. So you may still remain contagious but just appear asymptomatic. The Pfizer trial consisted on phone calls asking if they thought they'd experienced any symptoms - there was no actual physical tests done. Whilst I have many issues with the AZ/Oxford vaccine - at least they did regular actual CV testing (though not sure if it was only in the Phase 2 trial as they combined the Phase 2 & 3 trials & ran them concurrently).

As one paper suggested this may mean with the two 'new' science vaccines you could contract CV multiple times vs an unvaccinated person who only appears (in the short term (aka the last 12 months of history to go by) to catch it once.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Another fly in the ointment still remains that the 'vaccines' have not been tested to see if they make someone immune.
the short term (aka the last 12 months of history to go by) to catch it once.

Do we care if they make us immune though? Isn’t reduction in severity enough?

 

[RAM]

How to the feds keep track of who is fully vaccinated (both doses) over 2021, is it lodged on Medibank records? And bet the percentage required to open up will keep rising with the 'carrot' of letting us out the prize. Vaccinations will also take longer than planned, everything always takes longer. I'd be surprised if everyone is vaccinated as planned by Christmas this year.

Irrespective of everything, I'm booking on QFF in August this year return trip to Singapore leaving Oz Saturday 2nd July 2022. maybe 2 or 2.5 weeks. Just to keep me sane and something to look forward to. From Singapore cash fare somewhere else, maybe Cambodia, Vietnam, maybe even Poland if Europe is on the cards.

But, but, but, aren't the borders all open now thanks to that wonderful $17m Fed Govt app?

BTW - next Federal election is in 2022 (at the latest September 2022).

I've revised my bid on when borders open up accordingly.

One illuminating article puts the best way to calculate the election date is by the 'rorting' spending programs such as Sports Rorts etc. The speed at which the payments are made reaches a minimum around 5 weeks prior to an election date being announced. Good to see really useful research being conducted for a change!

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Do we care if they make us immune though? Isn’t reduction in severity enough?

Not for infecting others until a high enough proportion of the population have been 4 weeks since first jab.

Imagine the situation where someone arrives with certificate & they have UK strain with no symptoms. Cancel those domestic bookings for the nth time!

 

[drron]

I really hope they've thought this through as there were some stories months ago in the US about 'fake' CV test certificates being sold online. Actual results certificates/reports then scanned and edited to produce the desired name, dates etc.

Another fly in the ointment still remains that the 'vaccines' have not been tested to see if they make someone immune.

The rapid phase 3 trials only tested to see if they reduced the outcomes - not how the outcome was arrived at. So you may still remain contagious but just appear asymptomatic. The Pfizer trial consisted on phone calls asking if they thought they'd experienced any symptoms - there was no actual physical tests done. Whilst I have many issues with the AZ/Oxford vaccine - at least they did regular actual CV testing (though not sure if it was only in the Phase 2 trial as they combined the Phase 2 & 3 trials & ran them concurrently).

As one paper suggested this may mean with the two 'new' science vaccines you could contract CV multiple times vs an unvaccinated person who only appears (in the short term (aka the last 12 months of history to go by) to catch it once.

Sorry but those who have covid may still infect others for long after the infection and they can have a reinfection themselves.
In the UK they have been following Health workers closely since June 2020.Those who had antibodies at that stage or evidence of a positive PCR test but no antibodies.Those with antibodies had 83% protection from reinfection compared to those with no antibodies.These were unvaccinated in the main.

Covid-19: Past infection provides 83% protection for five months but may not stop transmission, study finds

People who have previously been infected with covid-19 are likely to be protected against reinfection for several months, but could still carry the virus in their nose and throat and transmit it to others, according to a study which regularly tested thousands of healthcare workers.1 The...

www.bmj.com

However early studies suggest even if you have protective antibodies you may still be spreading virus from the nose and throat.

The research team warned, however, that early evidence from the next stage of the study suggested that some people who are themselves protected by antibodies still carry high levels of virus and could continue to infect others.

Add that to the fact that in the Pfizer Phase 3 trials there were still the occasional severe case and the possibility that those in the highest risk groups may not be suitable to get the Pfizer vaccine if the Norway experience is replicated elsewhere and you can virtually guarantee that free trave for Australians OS is still some time away.mores the pity.

 

[Major]

For those wondering how vaccines are recorded it’s the National Immunisation Register, I presume it’s also linked to My Health Record if you didn’t opt out.

Australian Immunisation Register - Services Australia

The national register where your vaccinations are recorded.

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au

Just had a look at mine and it's not up to date. Doesn't show last year's flu shot nor a shingles jab a couple of years ago.

I wonder how accurate other people's records are ?

 

[VPS]

I just learnt something new - didn't realise all this stuff was on the Medicare website so thanks

 

[jakeseven7]

I just learnt something new - didn't realise all this stuff was on the Medicare website so thanks

Yes its super handy when you need to provide immunisation records (I have had to for access to govt buildings etc). The medicare app is very handy for this too.

 

[Port Power]

Just had a look at mine and it's not up to date. Doesn't show last year's flu shot nor a shingles jab a couple of years ago.

I wonder how accurate other people's records are ?

It can depend where you had your immunisation. For instance if the pharmacist does it, I don’t know if they are connected to Medicare. If your GP does it, the nurse needs to add this detail into the Immunisation Register, and not all GP surgeries have a nurse and the GP usually doesn’t do that sort of thing.

 

[jakeseven7]

It can depend where you had your immunisation. For instance if the pharmacist does it, I don’t know if they are connected to Medicare. If your GP does it, the nurse needs to add this detail into the Immunisation Register, and not all GP surgeries have a nurse and the GP usually doesn’t do that sort of thing.

Makes sense, all mine are there - but I only ever get a vaccine from a doctor (GP). Would never get one in a pharmac_.