Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[oznflfan]

And some of us do travel with kids, I am hoping to travel internationally by Sep 21 and May 22 in school holidays with our daughter who will be 14 and then 15 at the time of travel. I am somewhat annoyed about some of the comments made by Kidd around travel, i.e minors and quarantine as we are happy for the greater population to get the free jab and then I would hope that MrsM and myself can have the choice to pay (if required) to have our daughter vaccinated so we can travel. As a family we were traveling year-on-year 2-3 times in J and F since MissM was around 2 and also suspect she may have been to more countries and some more than once or twice than many on this site.

@mviy my comments are not intentionally directed at you, however you did mention kids. This is not something I have seen in a while. At the AFF annual gathering in Canberra 2020 I seem to recall that one or two mods of this site mentioned that kids flying, be it premium or otherwise is the norm.

The mods are correct

Took my 15 year old son to Italy in 2018 and he was a pain in the @ss, aside from a few special visits like Colosseum and Lamborghini Factory, he had his face buried in his phone. Not sure how we go with international travel with kids, as I suspect mandatory vaccinations for entry and re-entry.

I think no hope for September 21, but likely for May 22.

 

[Pushka]

And some of us do travel with kids, I am hoping to travel internationally by Sep 21 and May 22 in school holidays with our daughter who will be 14 and then 15 at the time of travel. I am somewhat annoyed about some of the comments made by Kidd around travel, i.e minors and quarantine as we are happy for the greater population to get the free jab and then I would hope that MrsM and myself can have the choice to pay (if required) to have our daughter vaccinated so we can travel. As a family we were traveling year-on-year 2-3 times in J and F since MissM was around 2 and also suspect she may have been to more countries and some more than once or twice than many on this site.

@mviy my comments are not intentionally directed at you, however you did mention kids. This is not something I have seen in a while. At the AFF annual gathering in Canberra 2020 I seem to recall that one or two mods of this site mentioned that kids flying, be it premium or otherwise is the norm.

The mods are correct

I can't see where there will be any impediment in travelling with children regardless of their immunisation status as none of the current vaccinations have been tested with people under 16.

I won't be travelling with children because they are all grown up! Otherwise I would fully expect to be able to do so.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

obviously some level of pinch of salt required but very interesting:

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I can't see where there will be any impediment in travelling with children regardless of their immunisation status as none of the current vaccinations have been tested with people under 16.

I won't be travelling with children because they are all grown up! Otherwise I would fully expect to be able to do so.

Unfortunately at around 13-15 years old, they have a similar response to covid (transmissibility, etc) as adults

 

[mviy]

@mviy my comments are not intentionally directed at you however you did mention kids and this is not something I have seen in a while. At the AFF annual gathering in Canberra 2020 I seem to recall that one or two mods of this site mentioned that kids flying, be it premium or otherwise is the new norm.

I have nothing against kids flying, but don't have any as yet, which is why I wouldn't be travelling with any. I could have worded what I said better.

 

[Flashback]

The choice between your business or my life, guess what, my life is more important.

And for businesses who expect people to spend in coffee shops etc when they go back to the office, think again. I know lots of people who have now realised just how much they were spending on beverages, 2 coffees a day, $10 x 5 days work, hmmm $50 I have saved per week. That doesn't include lunch or other food.

They're used to making their own beverage at home and it tastes just as good for a lot less money.

Plus, people now realise that economic security is no longer guaranteed and will seek to save, and/or pay off debts incurred. I'll posit that discretionary spending will be low for a long time.

Our office no longer has enough seats for everybody. WFH is being strongly encouraged; even after the plague is over I've been approved to WFH for at least 2 days per week.

Business requirements have changed, cafes and coffee shops etc have to adapt instead of whinging.

Seeing similar here, but the problem is most people tend to want to have the same 2 days WFH so it's not an easy solution, plus the need for social distancing etc. So you still require just as many desks, if not more. It's easy to say well just make person X and Y come in this day, that day, etc. But... It's not that simple.

It’s not only that, covid has probably just hastened the change that was already well underway. Post offices were under threat of closing due to a change in the way we communicate, but many have diversified. Banks are cutting branches because cash is no longer widely used. Shops are struggling as online retailers refine their service model (the USA is outstanding in this respect with free delivery, free returns etc).

The push to have flexible hours, work from home... not new. But covid has pushed it right along, out of necessity. Anyone with a small business needs to be assessing where it’s going, what are the challenges, and where are the opportunities. Not easy, but income from passing foot traffic can’t be guaranteed these days.

Ditto UK, even to the point where some retailers may get my business if they're a few quid more but overall inc. delivery they're less so would be silly not to. Most just offer outright free delivery with low prices anyway. I choose free delivery on Amazon which it says may take up to 5 days but In 9/10 cases it's there the next day.

 

[Pushka]

Unfortunately at around 13-15 years old, they have a similar response to covid (transmissibility, etc) as adults

Yes, given size that makes sense but currently vaccinations not authorised for that group so can't see how that can be used as a criteria for non flying.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

over 1000 locked down in melb.

Vaccinations:
UK 13,000,000
Aus 0

 

[Pushka]

over 1000 locked down in melb.

Vaccinations:
UK 13,000,000
Aus 0

UK achieved 13 million in about 2 months. If we do the same we will have 50% coverage. But more likely within 10 months everyone who wants the vaccination will have had it.

On another note, this is brilliant.

Elton John and Michael Caine star in video to promote Covid vaccination

The NHS England video aims to encourage all people in high priority groups to book an appointment

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sydney BE]

Vaccinations:
UK 13,000,000
Aus 0

Only a few more weeks before we get vaccinations started. Hopefully they approve AZ soon too. I'm back of the queue so still a long wait for me

 

[blackcat20]

We look forward to travelling with the kids as soon as we're allowed. Even countries closer to home (eg NZ) would be nice.

 

[Rembrandt]

The choice between your business or my life, guess what, my life is more important.

And for businesses who expect people to spend in coffee shops etc when they go back to the office, think again. I know lots of people who have now realised just how much they were spending on beverages, 2 coffees a day, $10 x 5 days work, hmmm $50 I have saved per week. That doesn't include lunch or other food.

They're used to making their own beverage at home and it tastes just as good for a lot less money.

Plus, people now realise that economic security is no longer guaranteed and will seek to save, and/or pay off debts incurred. I'll posit that discretionary spending will be low for a long time.

Our office no longer has enough seats for everybody. WFH is being strongly encouraged; even after the plague is over I've been approved to WFH for at least 2 days per week.

Business requirements have changed, cafes and coffee shops etc have to adapt instead of whinging.

It's not just cafes, but chemists, convenience stores, cleaners, dry cleaners, commercial office space providers etc etc.

I don't run a coffee shop or a small business. Clearly you have no empathy for small businesses suffering during the pandemic going by your attitude. That's fine most people don't, it's all about their own reality. But I see the bigger picture.

I was clearly making a point that the there is going to be many more people out of work and for an extended period of time due to the change to WFH due to covid. We will now have more people out there fighting for what jobs are on offer.

Covid has caused a big economic reset and things will never go back to normal, maybe even travel. Extended government support is going to be required for a long time if we don't want families on the streets. Federal and state governments need to focus on reskilling those who have no hope of finding new work. Trying to push as many as possible into tertiary education whilst international student numbers are low is good in theory.

 

[Rembrandt]

Vaccinations:
UK 13,000,000
Aus 0

It's good they're vaccinating so many people, but I'd still wouldn't want to set foot in the UK at the moment with the virus causing such chaos there. Australia can take a more measured approach to the vaccine roll-out.

 

[Comoman]

It's good they're vaccinating so many people, but I'd still wouldn't want to set foot in the UK at the moment with the virus causing such chaos there. Australia can take a more measured approach to the vaccine roll-out.

It’s not so bad here (depends on your location of course). Our area has had 4 cases in the last 7 days - not so much ”chaos” here.

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Edit to add - I’m in Hampshire.

 

[Hvr]

Clearly you have no empathy for small businesses suffering during the pandemic going by your attitude

Clearly you have no idea of my family situation with a sibling who has successfully run several small businesses. One sibling lost their job at the beginning of the first lock down and it took many months for them to get another job.

I was stood down from my secondary role for nearly 12 months. In my main role (WFH) I quite often deal with people adversely affected by COVID-19.

Here in Melbourne I have lived through the worst of the lock downs including not being able to see my elderly mother for many months.

These experiences have shaped my thinking about what the future holds and what changes may happen.

It surely behoves everybody to cogitate and consider what a post pandemic world will look like. There will be opportunities, but as with every opening there will be closures. People who are ready for the future and can adapt will thrive.


I've been working since the 70s. The job I did then no longer exists. The job I do now didn't exist then, nor did the technology to do it.

The future is coming and you can either embrace or be run over by it.



As a group I suggest many of us here have led fortunate lives to be able to travel, in some cases quite frequently.

 

[ethernet]

I am pessimistic about oz os travel for those getting the Oxford Mk1. The efficacy difference for spreading (not severe or death) means risk plans and profiles are different enough to matter as the SA variant causes a new wave of nanny shutdowns. Hopefully covid variant boosters and 3rd jabs will become available. But I wonder if the real roadmap is to ban travel to protect the stupid who refuse vaccination. One way or another, the pecking order of vaccines for travel will be exposed. The decision to only allow doctors to give the jab is another brainless example of groupthink.
For some reason, Ivermectin coughtails with zinc and more are not hitting the headlines. That is likely to be a smarter approach in avoiding quarantine altogether upon return.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

For some reason, Ivermectin coughtails with zinc and more are not hitting the headlines.

They're getting all the attention they deserve and more.

 

[Flashback]

Only 1 week to go till the next extension announcement.

 

[Pushka]

Only 1 week to go till the next extension announcement.

What is it currently?

 

[Flashback]

What is it currently?

It's currently..... you can't leave Australia?