Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Lynda2475]

Oops yes forgot about that.

But still worthwhile holding two passports as:

a. NZ may open up to US earlier than Australia, given they are exclusively using Pfizer which has a quicker roll-out timeframe (3 weeks between doses vs 3 months for AZ) and a much smaller population to vaccinate - they have a better chance of being fully vaccinated before Australia.

b. It is easier to claim you are leaving for 3 months when you have right to stay in another country longer indefinitely by way of a passport, so easier to get a travel exemption. Meaning could actually fly direct to USA. Friends who have returned from USA recently said not too hard to get a seat to Aus, as its a direct flight and no competition from tourists. Most people facing challenges getting home to Australia on Commercial flights are coming from destinations where connections are needed.

c. If you have a US passport and you do travel to the USA with an exemption you get vaccinated faster, as open to all adults there. Have a holiday and get vaccinated at the same time, win win.

 

[bcworld]

For example Australia might ban Australian passports to enter country X

This part is not going to happen. Country X is the one who decides who gets to enter. But I hear what you are saying...there may be somewhere you want to go that allows US citizens to enter with less drama? My main point was using a second passport is not going to be a way to hide from Australian authorities that you used the NZ back door to escape. Because ultimately they will know that you departed for NZ and then arrived back into Australia from somewhere else.

 

[bcworld]

a. NZ may open up to US earlier than Australia

I would imagine this would mean the end of the AU/NZ travel bubble. Unless opening up means allowing them to enter but still with the MIQ requirement.

 

[Lynda2475]

would imagine this would mean the end of the AU/NZ travel bubble.

Not necessarily.

NZ may allow vaccinated US traveler in without HQ, but entry from NZ to Australia, can still require that you have been in NZ or Aus for the previous 14 days. So US travelers would have to spend 14 days in NZ before onward travel to Australia. This is already the case with cook island being part of the NZ bubble but not part of the Aus bubble.

Looking at population and vaccine choice tNZ are on track to be fully vaccinated at least 6 months ahead of Australia.

 

[dajop]

Oops yes forgot about that.

But still worthwhile holding two passports as:

a. NZ may open up to US earlier than Australia,

If this happens, a US passport will make no difference to an Australian passport. It’s travel history that counts. NZ won’t suddenly start accepting US citizens who’ve been in the USA in the last two weeks, but not Australian citizens who’ve also been in the USA in the last two weeks.

 

[Lynda2475]

If this happens, a US passport will make no difference to an Australian passport. It’s travel history that counts. NZ won’t suddenly start accepting US citizens who’ve been in the USA in the last two weeks, but not Australian citizens who’ve also been in the USA in the last two weeks.

I'm not sure especially if the Americans have been fully vaccinated but the Aussies haven't. Time will tell.

 

[dajop]

I'm not sure especially if the Americans have been fully vaccinated but the Aussies haven't. Time will tell.

But it’s never been about the passport in relation to Covid. Never.

So you’re saying an Australian who has been living in the US for 5 years will be denied entry yet someone with an American passport will be allowed just because of the American passport?

It will be travel and vaccination history that determines restrictions not the particular type of passport (aside from normal passport related restrictions).

 

[Lynda2475]

So you’re saying an Australian who has been living in the US for 5 years will be denied entry yet someone with an American passport will be allowed just because of the American passport?

No I am not saying that. I actually mentioned vaccination, you even quoted it.

 

[Tiki]

Australia has various designations - "Do not travel", "Reconsider your need", "Use extreme caution" etc.

So if the country is "Do not travel" to an Australian citizen, I can still legally enter the country as a US citizen. And yes, I would take into account possibly needing to spend 14 days in another country on the return to avoid hotel quarantine. Preferably a country with good birdlife!

 

[bcworld]

Australia has various designations - "Do not travel", "Reconsider your need", "Use extreme caution" etc.

So if the country is "Do not travel" to an Australian citizen, I can still legally enter the country as a US citizen.

You can still legally enter them as an Australian citizen...those are advisory, not legally binding.

 

[dajop]

No I am not saying that. I actually mentioned vaccination, you even quoted it.

Huh? You specifically mention "the Americans". The point being an Australian whose been in the US for 5 weeks or 5 years, might have been in the US but is not an American, and the whole discussion is about a suggestion that Americans might be allowed into NZ.

I'm not sure especially if the Americans have been fully vaccinated but the Aussies haven't. Time will tell.

 

[Lynda2475]

You implied that only criterion for entry was being in the USA for past 14 days.

I said not necessarily if the American has been fully vaccinated and the Aussie hadn't it may well make a difference. I was saying vaccination status could well be a condition of a bubble, not just where you have been. Swap Aussie and American around the message is the same.

However with current vaccine roll-out any US resident over 14 who wants a vaccine will have opportunity to have one by July 2021. Same cant be said for Australian residents. So an American travelling from the USA is much more likely to be vaccinated than an Australian who popped over there for a 2 week visit.

Countries can absolutely use combination of nationality (and PR status), duration of stay at departure point and/or vaccination status to decide who they let in with or without quarantine, with or without a visa etc. I didn't say it will happen just that it could happen. Chill.

 

[dajop]

You implied that only criterion for entry was being in the USA for past 14 days.

I said not necessarily if the American has been fully vaccinated and the Aussie hadn't it may well make a difference. I was saying vaccination status could well be a condition of a bubble, not just where you have been. Swap Aussie and American around the message is the same.

However with current vaccine roll-out any US resident over 14 who wants a vaccine will have opportunity to have one by July 2021. Same cant be said for Australian residents. So an American travelling from the USA is much more likely to be vaccinated than an Australian who popped over there for a 2 week visit.

I think we're agreed its 1) Travel history and 2) Vaccination status that determines restrictions.

I don't know why you keep bringing "Americans" into the picture though, as if it carries extra weight. In relation to Tiki - it's irrelevant whether travelling on a US passport (obviously unless it accelerates access to vaccination within the US) or an Australian passport as far as COVID related travel restrictions go.

There is of course a chance an exemption is easier to obtain travelling on foreign passport, but I have read of numerous accounts of Australian residents with foreign passports being denied exceptions.

 

[Lynda2475]

There is of course a chance an exemption is easier to obtain travelling on foreign passport, but I have read of numerous accounts of Australian residents with foreign passports being denied exceptions.

Whilst it is not a guarantee, it is definitely much easier to get an exemption to leave as a resident with dual citizenship than it is if you only have Aussie citizenship, as less proof is needed to show that you can stay out of the country for > 3 months. And this is why if you have an option of a second passport it is well worthwhile taking it up, as will generally give you more options.

There are no guarantees of anything right now, with some governments overreaching on restrictions, but options (especially the ability to leave indefinitely) are valuable.

 

[mviy]

QF is clearly hoping some Christmas travel can go ahead.

 

[trevella]

QF is clearly hoping some Christmas travel can go ahead.

QF is clearly hoping they can hold onto their peak-period revenue for as long as possible despite having no realistic prospect of operating the flights.

 

[jakeseven7]

QF is clearly hoping some Christmas travel can go ahead.

NZ and Pac Islands yes for sure, much else? Nope.

 

[Lynda2475]

Qantas delays restart of overseas flights

The airline had been hoping to begin flying internationally from the end of October, but the federal government doesn't expect to open Australia's international borders until 2022.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Lynda2475]

From SMH:

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian says she’s more ambitious than her federal counterparts as to when international borders should re-open.

Ms Berejiklian congratulated the federal government for handing down a “very strong budget under very difficult circumstances,” but added she would like to see borders reopen earlier than mid-2022.

 

[ayushamity]

Ms Berejiklian congratulated the federal government for handing down a “very strong budget under very difficult circumstances,” but added she would like to see borders reopen earlier than mid-2022.

NSW needs international students

And most people in NSW are not that brainwashed unlike WA/QLD