Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[jakeseven7]

But given there were no real adverse consequences when many saw earlier lockdowns being the fault of Vic govt (yes, mostly outside Vic) I am not sure some seeing that the Feds caused this one really changes anything.

SA technically are responsible for the actual breach (and Feds if you go one ladder back up who should be responsible for the slow vax rollout and lack of action on better quarantine provisions)

 

[burmans]

But given there were no real adverse consequences when many saw earlier lockdowns being the fault of Vic govt (yes, mostly outside Vic) I am not sure some seeing that the Feds caused this one really changes anything.

Though the chorus does seem to be increasing that there are two things we are missing
- urgency on vaccination
- an effective (non hotel) quarantine system

Both Federal responsibilities and the News outlets are starting to hammer this point. If we know one thing, Scomo can be very reactive when News tells him to.

 

[oznflfan]

As much as I hate to say it, I don't see a single thing changing on borders before the end of 2022. As pessimistic as that may sound, nothing gives me even the slightest bit of confidence that anything will change - except for border restrictions getting stricter - if that is even possible.

The election is May 2022, and it is safe to say nothing will change before this - it is pretty clear strict border controls are very popular. After the elections, assuming the LIBS get back in, it will take months to make a plan and implement it.

Agree, so hard to see way out, even when vaccinations sky high (still don't think we'll get there ever) do we lock down Melbourne when they have their 10th outbreak middle of next year, as even 70% vaccinated means 30% at risk, and Scomo's job is to keep everyone safe.

Everything he states is acting on medical advice'' (it's not - he act's purely on getting votes) and as the world opens up big time next year he will increasingly look like a snake oil salesman/preacher just trying to keep his job. I think he would be a lot smarter calling election 2nd half of this year as opposed to waiting.

He has faith in his invisible man in the sky, I have faith eventually we use common sense and get what we want.

 

[OATEK]

Agree, so hard to see way out, even when vaccinations sky high (still don't think we'll get there ever) do we lock down Melbourne when they have their 10th outbreak middle of next year, as even 70% vaccinated means 30% at risk, and Scomo's job is to keep everyone safe.

Everything he states is acting on medical advice'' (it's not - he act's purely on getting votes) and as the world opens up big time next year he will increasingly look like a snake oil salesman/preacher just trying to keep his job. I think he would be a lot smarter calling election 2nd half of this year as opposed to waiting.

He has faith in his invisible man in the sky, I have faith eventually we use common sense and get what we want.

I don't think the hyperbole and name calling really helps. Only acts purely on getting votes - too simplistic. The medical advice does contribute, and what the mix is between electoral issues, public health issues etc varies I am sure. But like everything to do with this pandemic, nothing is a binary. The PM is confident that the "greatest good for the greatest number" is keeping the border shut and his electoral position safe. This will hopefully change, but it will depend on the view of a much larger cohort than here on AFF. As soon as I am fully vaccinated I will be writing to him and other leaders asking why I cannot be considered safe to travel for family reunion - it may not be more successful than name calling, but I see it as a more positive approach.

 

[Seat0B]

The tide seems to be turning, at least in Victoria. This latest lockdown isn't seen as the fault of the Vic government, but rather the Cth.

If this gathers momentum it may spur changes regarding border movements: home Q for those vaccinated, and freeing up more space for those not.

I certainly hope you are right.

 

[dajop]

Article in Nine media about confusion as to whether overseas vaccinations will be recognised if the government goes down the path of allowing Australians vaccinated in Australia to do home quarantine entering Australia from overseas .....

‘Utter confusion’: Australians vaccinated abroad push for home quarantine

Citizens who receive approved vaccines overseas want the same quarantine system as those vaccinated in Australia.

www.smh.com.au

 

[bcworld]

Hopefully they will see some sense and extend such visas if the border opening is delayed. We will have to see what they decide.

I don't think they do. I have a friend who works in reservations for an airline in the UK. He had a pax who was flying out to meet the must arrive by condition of their visa e.g. 1 year after grant. They were flying to Melbourne and I believe they were caught up in the freeze on Melbourne flights after the February HQ breach. Despite having been approved and spent thousands of pounds on his visa, he was told by Home Affairs (?) that if he failed to validate his visa by the stated date he would need to start the visa process, and pay for it, again. Absolutely disgraceful and he was devastated.

 

[bcworld]

SA technically are responsible for the actual breach (and Feds if you go one ladder back up who should be responsible for the slow vax rollout and lack of action on better quarantine provisions)

Feds also granted an exemption, I think the seed case in the Adelaide hotel, to travel to India for a wedding. While others get knocked back in cases of life threatening family illness.

 

[Flashback]

Sure, they have a vested interest... but this is the kind of carrot needed to give people more of a push.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Pushka]

Feds also granted an exemption, I think the seed case in the Adelaide hotel, to travel to India for a wedding. While others get knocked back in cases of life threatening family illness.

The wedding allowance was the one in Perth. We have never been told why the person(s) involved in the current SA issue were allowed to travel over, or perhaps they were simply stranded overseas and couldn't get back until now. I believe the initial seeder case came from the US.

Im surprised and stated this a few weeks ago that the WA Premier released that information.

 

[SydneySwan]

I certainly hope you are right.

I think the hope lies mainly in whether the reference to the lockdown as the 'Morrison lockdown' takes hold. I have seen a few attempts by Vic Labor pollies to promote this. If it takes hold you can be sure that the Federal Government will eventually react to the pressure.

 

[SydneySwan]

Article in Nine media about confusion as to whether overseas vaccinations will be recognised if the government goes down the path of allowing Australians vaccinated in Australia to do home quarantine entering Australia from overseas .....

‘Utter confusion’: Australians vaccinated abroad push for home quarantine

Citizens who receive approved vaccines overseas want the same quarantine system as those vaccinated in Australia.

www.smh.com.au

Australia has a lot of form in not recognising overseas medical qualifications, overseas drug accreditation, etc. some of which is quite ridiculous. It would not surprise me in the least if a Pfizer or AZ vaccination given in the UK is not considered on a par with one given in Australia.

We invest so little in scientific research it is beyond laughable even though some outstanding medical research is undertaken in Australia. We are a small country and generally most medical advances emerge from the US and Europe. At a minimum any vaccine that is approved in Australia should be accepted as if the jab had actually been undertaken in our Great Southern Land.

 

[dajop]

At a minimum any vaccine that is approved in Australia should be accepted as if the jab had actually been undertaken in our Great Southern Land.

The main issue is verification as far as I can tell. In principle a Pfizer jab administered in Melbourne, Florida should be no different to a Pfizer jab administered in Melbourne, Victoria. But what are the processes to verify that the vaccination took place?

The government could at least indicate the problem is verification not one of where the vaccination took place. But they don’t even say that (or if they did the media didn’t report it, equally as likely).

 

[Flashback]

The main issue is verification as far as I can tell. In principle a Pfizer jab administered in Melbourne, Florida should be no different to a Pfizer jab administered in Melbourne, Victoria. But what are the processes to verify that the vaccination took place?

The government could at least indicate the problem is verification not one of where the vaccination took place. But they don’t even say that (or if they did the media didn’t report it, equally as likely).

Indeed, it's not like we have an official NHS app that could be used ....... oh wait ......

 

[dajop]

Indeed, it's not like we have an official NHS app that could be used ....... oh wait ......

Or likewise in many other countries, like the official MOH app I have or the government contact tracing app....

 

[serfty]

Indeed, it's not like we have an official NHS app that could be used ....... oh wait ......

There is MyGov My Health Record available. it is optional.

Civil libertarians and some medical entities advise against using it.

 

[clifford]

There is MyGov My Health Record available. it is optional.

Yes, but as I understand it, Your Medicare immunisation history statement is not optional.

 

[Pushka]

Plans are well underway in SA to bring back International Students to be housed in barracks at Parafield. Location already approved by SA Health and are seeking Commonwealth approval.

 

[dajop]

There is MyGov My Health Record available. it is optional.

Civil libertarians and some medical entities advise against using it.

Yes, but as I understand it, Your Medicare immunisation history statement is not optional.

Neither the MyHealth Record nor Medicare immunisation history will help Australians vaccinated overseas (if those vaccinated in Australia are allowed to quarantine at home). One presumes the Australian government would be competent enough to verify if someone vaccinated domestically would be able to do so (I know. This is a big assumption).

What @Flashback and I were talking about was some mutual recognition for Australians vaccinated overseas in countries with government apps that can retrieve vaccination status.

 

[serfty]

Yes, but as I understand it, Your Medicare immunisation history statement is not optional.

True, FWIW I just checked my medicare and in March a medical practioner I have never heard of has bulkbilled $86 for an initial consultation that never happened.