Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[MEL_Traveller]

its perfectly simple really, you want people to get the jab, tell them once fully vacinated you can travel where you like and quarantine at home when you get back.

its simple. ITS SO SIMPLE.

walking around canberra today, no mandate to wear a mask outdoor - 95% of people masked up, living in fear, when there is 0 covid in the whole state.

if this is the sheep-like attitude of the populace i'm never going to be able to see my family again

Living in fear or just being sensible? All it takes is one person to travel from a hotspot to pass the infection on We aren't wearing masks in Melbourne out of fear, just because they are simple and easy to do and make sense.

 

[mviy]

No we are wearing them because maybe if we don‘t wear them when the rules say we are meant to we might be fined. If there were no fines for not wearing a mask I’d put my mask wearing days behind me.

I’m still hoping to head overseas at the end of the year.

 

[roogirl]

I think it’s pretty cute that Australians think masks are what’s going to make the difference. All this horrible stuff about the quarantine driver, hE wasN’t weARing a mA$k!! I mean, if you’re in a confined space like a car I don’t think wearing a coughpy disposable mask which is definitely not fitted properly is going to make the difference.

I think masks in times of outbreaks in public spaces make sense - but really who cba to wear them when there is zero covid? It’s one of the things I find baffling, all this finger pointing about THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS MESS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE LAZY AND DIDN’T WEAR MASKS.

Yet another reason I’m happy to be in the U.K., where we’ve never had outdoor mask wearing regulations and people are generally pretty sensible about when to mask up and not.

 

[drron]

Well here in Tasmania where the last community transmission occurred more than 12 months ago and the last OS acquired case was more than 6 months ago they are talking about mandatory mask wearing.
The Greens have berated the Premier when he said he will continue with weekly covid briefings.They demand it should be daily.
Oh dear.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think it’s pretty cute that Australians think masks are what’s going to make the difference. All this horrible stuff about the quarantine driver, hE wasN’t weARing a mA$k!! I mean, if you’re in a confined space like a car I don’t think wearing a coughpy disposable mask which is definitely not fitted properly is going to make the difference.

I think masks in times of outbreaks in public spaces make sense - but really who cba to wear them when there is zero covid? It’s one of the things I find baffling, all this finger pointing about THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS MESS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE LAZY AND DIDN’T WEAR MASKS.

Yet another reason I’m happy to be in the U.K., where we’ve never had outdoor mask wearing regulations and people are generally pretty sensible about when to mask up and not.

That's the thing. In melbourne there is no requirement to wear masks outdoors at the moment (unless physical distancing isn't possible). There are no fines. But people are taking simple steps to protect themselves and others. It's not blaming others for being lazy, just some people are choosing to be proactive.

 

[jonboixxx]

Australia's current Covid status is seen as an embarrassment thanks to government arrogance in the rest of the developed world.

Last in the OECD for vaccine rollout, country shutting down state by state again, anger amongst the population.

Now where are all those screaming Australia is a "paradise" again?

Well I'm enjoying Noosa lockdown, and have travelled extensively through Qld and NSW the last 12 months and have had very little disruption to our lives. PARADISE!

 

[jonboixxx]

I think it’s pretty cute that Australians think masks are what’s going to make the difference. All this horrible stuff about the quarantine driver, hE wasN’t weARing a mA$k!! I mean, if you’re in a confined space like a car I don’t think wearing a coughpy disposable mask which is definitely not fitted properly is going to make the difference.

I think masks in times of outbreaks in public spaces make sense - but really who cba to wear them when there is zero covid? It’s one of the things I find baffling, all this finger pointing about THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS MESS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE LAZY AND DIDN’T WEAR MASKS.

Yet another reason I’m happy to be in the U.K., where we’ve never had outdoor mask wearing regulations and people are generally pretty sensible about when to mask up and not.

Apart from the 20+ flights in the last 12 months, I think I've had to wear a mask twice indoors. As a roogirl, you probably appreciate that very large sections of Australia are largely unaffected.
You come across in your posts as a little disgruntled about the Australian response and that may be through your and family circumstances, but I do not think that you realise from many comments on these pages that many of us in Oz are just fine, despite some of us taking a didactic or minutiae response.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Living in fear or just being sensible? All it takes is one person to travel from a hotspot to pass the infection on We aren't wearing masks in Melbourne out of fear, just because they are simple and easy to do and make sense.

in answer to your question ... living in fear .... mask MANDATE with 0 cases in the whole city ... fear

 

[dajop]

Living in fear or just being sensible? All it takes is one person to travel from a hotspot to pass the infection on We aren't wearing masks in Melbourne out of fear, just because they are simple and easy to do and make sense.

The mask messaging from the get go was all wrong. In Asia people don't wear masks out of fear, they were them to protect others, in case they are ill themselves and reduces the chance they will spread it. This long predated COV(D. I know when I'm wearing a mask in an optional setting, it's really out of concern for others and not me.

The circumstances I've been concerned (taking international flights with connecting traffic, bus from airport to HQ) I've masked up with N95.

My colleagues in India are all double masking. That's out of fear.

 

[jonboixxx]

The mask messaging from the get go was all wrong. In Asia people don't wear masks out of fear, they were them to protect others, in case they are ill themselves and reduces the chance they will spread it. This long predated COV(D. I know when I'm wearing a mask in an optional setting, it's really out of concern for others and not me.

The circumstances I've been concerned (taking international flights with connecting traffic, bus from airport to HQ) I've masked up with N95.

My colleagues in India are all double masking. That's out of fear.

Unfortunately, the messaging on masking hasn't established the overwhelming benefit of preventing infection as compared to becoming infected.

 

[roogirl]

Apart from the 20+ flights in the last 12 months, I think I've had to wear a mask twice indoors. As a roogirl, you probably appreciate that very large sections of Australia are largely unaffected.
You come across in your posts as a little disgruntled about the Australian response and that may be through your and family circumstances, but I do not think that you realise from many comments on these pages that many of us in Oz are just fine, despite some of us taking a didactic or minutiae response.

As I’ve said before on these pages, it’s great that a large section of people are fine. A large section are not, including many of my family and friends (who are largely Melbourne based) - apart from any family separation issues, just in my friendship group I’ve had 1 suicide, 3 divorces and numerous people not getting to see parents/grandparents before they died of natural causes because they are separated by a border (either interstate or international). I personally have also been affected by it, but it’s not just about me.

The broader issue is that there has been no attempt to actually manage the pandemic other than shutting borders and lockdowns. This is not a sustainable response and I believe incompatible with Australia’s moral obligations towards its citizens (both those stuck inside with family outside and vice versa). If you think it is disgruntled to point that out, knock yourself out.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

As I’ve said before on these pages, it’s great that a large section of people are fine. A large section are not, including many of my family and friends (who are largely Melbourne based) - apart from any family separation issues, just in my friendship group I’ve had 1 suicide, 3 divorces and numerous people not getting to see parents/grandparents before they died of natural causes because they are separated by a border (either interstate or international). I personally have also been affected by it, but it’s not just about me.

The broader issue is that there has been no attempt to actually manage the pandemic other than shutting borders and lockdowns. This is not a sustainable response and I believe incompatible with Australia’s moral obligations towards its citizens (both those stuck inside with family outside and vice versa). If you think it is disgruntled to point that out, knock yourself out.

And what would have been the case in the USA, UK or Europe, Brazil, India? Not just one death in your group, but in the multiples? And loved ones dying, a painful death, alone, without family being allowed in the hospital with them

 

[jonboixxx]

As I’ve said before on these pages, it’s great that a large section of people are fine. A large section are not, including many of my family and friends (who are largely Melbourne based) - apart from any family separation issues, just in my friendship group I’ve had 1 suicide, 3 divorces and numerous people not getting to see parents/grandparents before they died of natural causes because they are separated by a border (either interstate or international). I personally have also been affected by it, but it’s not just about me.

The broader issue is that there has been no attempt to actually manage the pandemic other than shutting borders and lockdowns. This is not a sustainable response and I believe incompatible with Australia’s moral obligations towards its citizens (both those stuck inside with family outside and vice versa). If you think it is disgruntled to point that out, knock yourself out.

I am sorry for your circumstances and as I stated, I recognised you may have have family instances.
Similarly, I have my own circumstances whereby my teenage daughter was stuck in Melbourne for the whole period of their extended lockdown last year and her mental health was affected, despite the support of her boyfriend and his lovely family.
My father who will likely pass within months is now locked down in his nursing home with the Qld Premier's latest decision and I may not see him again.
Despite that, I am resolute in that we are all able to get through this in the best way possible.
If you are removed from your family, I do feel for you.
I was responding directly to your post and if you were affected by my response, I did not intend that.

 

[roogirl]

And what would have been the case in the USA, UK or Europe, Brazil, India? Not just one death in your group, but in the multiples? And loved ones dying, a painful death, alone, without family being allowed in the hospital with them

How is that relevant? We are talking about the Australian response. Which I have consistently said was correct in the first phase of the pandemic. I don’t believe it’s appropriate for the second phase. The U.K. & US responses were beyond shambolic in the first phase but much better in the second which is why I’m going to Ibiza next week and the US the week after and my family is still locked up in Fortress Australia with no prospect of escape any time soon.

The point of my post was responding to the constant “I’m alright Jack” posters who consistently brush over the horrible experience of those in Melbourne. This idea that everyone in Australia has been living their best lives since March 2020 is just fantasy for a significant chunk of the population.

 

[roogirl]

I am sorry for your circumstances and as I stated, I recognised you may have have family instances.
Similarly, I have my own circumstances whereby my teenage daughter was stuck in Melbourne for the whole period of their extended lockdown last year and her mental health was affected, despite the support of her boyfriend and his lovely family.
My father who will likely pass within months is now locked down in his nursing home with the Qld Premier's latest decision and I may not see him again.
Despite that, I am resolute in that we are all able to get through this in the best way possible.
If you are removed from your family, I do feel for you.
I was responding directly to your post and if you were affected by my response, I did not intend that.

Sorry for your challenges and I hope you manage to see your dad again. It is hard for lots of people.

 

[hb13]

As a roogirl, you probably appreciate that very large sections of Australia are largely unaffected.

I don't think you understand the meaning of "very large sections". How is that possible when half the population is currently in lockdown?

Almost half of Aussie population under lockdown

New South Wales premier said further sudden lockdowns will be needed until vaccination rates increase. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[hb13]

And what would have been the case in the USA, UK or Europe, Brazil, India? Not just one death in your group, but in the multiples? And loved ones dying, a painful death, alone, without family being allowed in the hospital with them

I'm fairly sure most of us, if not every single one of us has commended Australia's response in 2020. Maybe it's time to stop flogging a dead horse?

In 12, 24, 36 months' time, when maybe Australia is back to some normalcy, half the aviation sector is dead, unemployment through the roof and every other country has dealt with this far better than Australia, are you still going to keep saying "but oh, didn't you see how great Australia did in 2020?".

Right now, it is better to be in Europe or America than Australia. You're supposed to be in Melbourne - how do you not see the pain of lockdowns?

 

[MooTime]

As I’ve said before on these pages, it’s great that a large section of people are fine. A large section are not, including many of my family and friends (who are largely Melbourne based) - apart from any family separation issues, just in my friendship group I’ve had 1 suicide, 3 divorces and numerous people not getting to see parents/grandparents before they died of natural causes because they are separated by a border (either interstate or international). I personally have also been affected by it, but it’s not just about me.

The broader issue is that there has been no attempt to actually manage the pandemic other than shutting borders and lockdowns. This is not a sustainable response and I believe incompatible with Australia’s moral obligations towards its citizens (both those stuck inside with family outside and vice versa). If you think it is disgruntled to point that out, knock yourself out.

There’s many great things happening, it's not all doom n gloom.
Australia hasn't been been perfect like nobody had been in this pandemic.

I'm from Melbourne, have a few complaints, but very happy to be here & in Aus.
Things will improve in regards to OS travel, just not next month.

 

[Pushka]

Should be renamed poogirl.
All negativity, there's many great things happening, it's not all doom n gloom.
Australia hasn't been been perfect like nobody had been in this pandemic.

I'm from Melbourne, have a few complaints, but very happy to be here & in Aus.
Things will improve in regards to OS travel, just not next month.

Not on if you've just read their story. Many have been fine. Good for them. Others have been impacted dreadfully. Maybe a little kindness and understanding is in order and not a Pollyanna response. Mental Health has been impacted significantly for so many, that will have its burden for years. And until there is hope of light, there is none.

 

[N860CR]

Not on if you've just read their story. Many have been fine. Good for them. Others have been impacted dreadfully. Maybe a little kindness and understanding is in order and not a Pollyanna response. Mental Health has been impacted significantly for so many, that will have its burden for years. And until there is hope of light, there is none

And sadly, this is something that continues to be ignored. Yes, we’re working hard to save the lives of people in nursing homes, but for some reason decide to forget about the other lives that are being ruined, the suicides, the divorces….. this is where Australia has failed. And failed badly.