Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[trevella]

Though if I'm fully vaccinated in about 3 months

“Fully vaccinated” for opening the borders will require whatever booster is eventually deemed acceptable and necessary…

 

[MEL_Traveller]

By the way the vaccine rollout is now taking a quite sinister political turn with Anastasia saying to ignore the Government's edict on AZ and to wait for Pfizer. It’s getting properly nasty and the people who won’t benefit are Australian citizens waiting to move on with their lives.

The state and Cth governments have always said they will follow health advice. The states are following health advice which says AZ should not be given to those under 60. it's good to have checks and balances, especially when policy is changing so often.

There's probably not much advantage, time wise, in having AZ over pfizer which will be in ready supply come October.

 

[Pushka]

The state and Cth governments have always said they will follow health advice. The states are following health advice which says AZ should not be given to those under 60. it's good to have checks and balances, especially when policy is changing so often.

There's probably not much advantage, time wise, in having AZ over pfizer which will be in ready supply come October.

Unless the current outbreaks go rampant and then it will be too late. One AZ dose is better than zero.

 

[Princess Fiona]

The state and Cth governments have always said they will follow health advice. The states are following health advice which says AZ should not be given to those under 60. it's good to have checks and balances, especially when policy is changing so often.

There's probably not much advantage, time wise, in having AZ over pfizer which will be in ready supply come October.

The Health Advice doesn’t say it should not be given.

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca can be used in adults aged under 60 years for whom Comirnaty is not available, the benefits are likely to outweigh the risks for that individual and the person has made an informed decision based on an understanding of the risks and benefits.

 

[JB expat]

Much as I agree with you in principle, in practice what will happen is the anti-vaxxers will go to their pet doctors and get an exemption based on the damage to their mental health that getting vaccinated will cause.

If this is actually possible, it needs to be eliminated as an exemption. How can a vaccine have any relation to mental health - or to flip it around...what about the mental health of the rest of us who want COVID normal? I'm not directly this at you but at the idea of this type of exemption.

 

[JB expat]

Bit of a chicken and egg situation here. It's clear that many countries wont let us in without a vaccine passport when we are allowed to travel, which would be an incentive but only when we are allowed to travel and we cant because too many aren't going to be taking up the vaccination.

As I and others have said before, once there is availability for all who want a vaccine and sufficient time has passed post-such availability for all available doses to be theoretically be delivered, there should be messaging that 1 - borders will open in a month, 2 - if you are not vaccinated, you can not attend any event with more than 25 people - I'd even say any event open to the public but I have ZERO tolerance for people who won't vaccinate, 3 - you have to pay a medicare subsidy to be put into a "cost of covid fund - due to refusal to vaccinate". There are so many carrots/sticks that can be used. It is time to use them.

 

[jakeseven7]

The state and Cth governments have always said they will follow health advice. The states are following health advice which says AZ should not be given to those under 60. it's good to have checks and balances, especially when policy is changing so often.

There's probably not much advantage, time wise, in having AZ over pfizer which will be in ready supply come October.

This is incorrect and you are yet again spreading misinformation.

Please check your facts before posting about vaccines.

Edit: I see a moderator has corrected you.

 

[JB expat]

Though if I'm fully vaccinated in about 3 months under the current rules that'll have no impact on the success or failure of an exemption request to travel. I'm keen to get vaccinated ASAP just in case but not everyone is going to feel that way when they consider that closer to borders opening up you may be able to get fully vaccinated within a month or two.

and that is exactly why there needs to be more - more things that one cannot do/attend if they aren't vaccinated without legitimate medical reasons. They shouldn't be allowed on planes (drive only), not allowed to attend public events, have to quarantine when they travel interstate - it should be made as unappealing as possible not to vaccinate as soon as eligible (with supply).

 

[roogirl]

The Health Advice doesn’t say it should not be given.

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca can be used in adults aged under 60 years for whom Comirnaty is not available, the benefits are likely to outweigh the risks for that individual and the person has made an informed decision based on an understanding of the risks and benefits.

This is my point. It’s beyond confusing at the moment. And political leaders are just nakedly playing football with health advice / the rollout to whatever they perceive as their advantage. It’s really gross.

 

[N860CR]

I don’t really see the concern to be honest with restrictions on unvaccinated Australians. They won’t be able to travel overseas as foreign countries won’t accept them. Their only risk is getting sick here, and realistically the chances of that are slim given how mild the virus is.

Worst case, they’re hospitalized or even die. And how is that different to people who smoke, abuse drugs, speed in the car etc etc?

 

[mviy]

I don’t really see the concern to be honest with restrictions on unvaccinated Australians. They won’t be able to travel overseas as foreign countries won’t accept them.

But it’s a chicken and egg type situation. The government has said they won’t relax travel restrictions until enough people are vaccinated. However without the carrot of travelling overseas where is the incentive to get vaccinated?

 

[jakeseven7]

This is my point. It’s beyond confusing at the moment. And political leaders are just nakedly playing football with health advice / the rollout to whatever they perceive as their advantage. It’s really gross.

Yup, the QLD and WA state governments should hang their heads in shame.

 

[JB expat]

But it’s a chicken and egg type situation. The government has said they won’t relax travel restrictions until enough people are vaccinated. However without the carrot of travelling overseas where is the incentive to get vaccinated?

Carrots aka more things that one cannot do/attend if they aren't vaccinated without legitimate medical reasons: unvaccinated people shouldn't be allowed on any planes (drive only), not allowed to attend public events, have to quarantine when they travel interstate - it should be made as unappealing as possible not to vaccinate as soon as eligible (with supply).

 

[burmans]

But it’s a chicken and egg type situation. The government has said they won’t relax travel restrictions until enough people are vaccinated. However without the carrot of travelling overseas where is the incentive to get vaccinated?

Indeed.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

honestly, good, let the pollies tear shreds off each other, it might make them wake up to the fact that they need to incentivise people to take the shots. by having a beneficial rule set for double jabbed people, like canada, like usa, like uk soon.

the WA and QLD premiers are absolutely shocking, they are disgraceful people with an incredibly insensitive outlook that would happily instal a fence at their borders and watch the rest of the country burn.

 

[N860CR]

But it’s a chicken and egg type situation. The government has said they won’t relax travel restrictions until enough people are vaccinated. However without the carrot of travelling overseas where is the incentive to get vaccinated?

Make the carrot not getting sick (weak carrot I know, because it’s such a slim chance). Basically say “you’ve all had the chance to get it, borders open xx_ date so better get it before then if you don’t want COVID.

Realistically, that should be the best motivation. Not to get sick from this deadly virus. If that doesn’t motivate people, what will?

 

[mviy]

Realistically, that should be the best motivation. Not to get sick from this deadly virus. If that doesn’t motivate people, what will?

As long as the borders are closed and premiers keep locking down with 1 case people will think they are more likely to get runover by a bus than get ill from COVID. There has to be motivations other than not getting sick or travel.

 

[N860CR]

As long as the borders are closed and premiers keep locking down with 1 case people will think they are more likely to get runover by a bus than get ill from COVID. There has to be motivations other than not getting sick or travel.

Not disagreeing with you. I just don’t see any other valid carrot. At some point, some politician is going to have to grow up and make the decision. In other words, we need a federal election tomorrow.

 

[JB expat]

Not disagreeing with you. I just don’t see any other valid carrot. At some point, some politician is going to have to grow up and make the decision. In other words, we need a federal election tomorrow.

There are so many other carrots/sticks - see my above posts.

 

[tgh]

. In other words, we need a federal election tomorrow

..and what difference will that make ??