Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[drron]

And I doubt many will be risking a trip to Cambodia soon.

Cambodia's New Entry Requirements For Visitors: I've Never Seen Anything Like This

Cambodia is ready to welcome back visitors in the age of coronavirus, but the arrivals process is unlike anything I've seen.

onemileatatime.com

$US3000 Deposit.14 day self paid quarantine if anyone on the plane tests positive.And if you die you will be cremated at a cost of $US1500.

 

[Pushka]

I can't see my family flying to Europe or the UK again for at least 2 or (more likely) 3 years. The risk is simply too great. If an effective, safe vaccine is produced then maybe we can return to our annual pilgrimage to the northern hemisphere but the pessimist in me suspects that FNQ will become our winter abode. I certainly won't be volunteering to be immunised first, similar sentiments as lovestravellingoz...

My family will likely be flying to the UK as soon as they can taking into account risks. DIL hasn't seen her Mum and Dad for a year and they haven't seen their baby grandson for the same time. My other son has a partner in the UK and they've been apart since January. I've given both my blessing to travel when they deem it as safe as it's going to get and once the restrictions has been lifted.

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Source of info?

That's the current Biosecurity date that was very quietly extended on May 15th for next four months.

Update on coronavirus measures | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

 

[oz_mark]

That's the current Biosecurity date that was very quietly extended on May 15th for next four months.

Update on coronavirus measures | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

It was in his press release - hardly 'very quietly'.

 

[CityRail]

Source of info?

Coronavirus: overseas travel ban extended to September 17


The ban on Australians travelling overseas has been quietly extended for a further three months, to September 17, but exemptions will be made should nations be deemed safe.
Australia’s ban on international departures was due to run for three months from March 18 to June 17, but was extended without fanfare on May 15 for a further three months.

This means Australians cannot travel overseas before September 17, although a Health Department spokesman said this would not prevent proposed travel “bubbles” with New Zealand or other nations that have COVID-19 under control.

“The human biosecurity emergency is currently in force until September 17, 2020 — it was extended on May 15, 2020, for a further three months to ensure the Australian government continues to have an appropriate range of powers available to manage the ongoing pandemic response,” the spokesman said.

“The outgoing travel restriction on Australian citizens and permanent residents is currently in effect for the duration of the emergency period.

“Amending these restrictions, for example to enable travel to NZ, is a decision for both governments that will be made in due course, when the public health risk is assessed as being sufficiently safe. The Australian and New Zealand governments continue to work together on this matter.”

Confirmation of the extended travel ban is bad news for those keen to chance an overseas break. However, it is good news for those wanting to cancel holidays abroad booked between June 17, when the ban was due to end, and September 17, when it now expires.

Many travel insurance policies do not allow claims for COVID-19, with fine print excluding either pandemics or risks known when the policies were taken out.

However, some policies allow those who booked before the virus became public knowledge — a “known risk” — to claim if the period of their travel coincides with a forced government travel ban. These are generally those who purchased policies before late January, with the exact relevant date varying between different insurers.

The Insurance Council of Australia said the extension of the travel ban removed a lot of uncertainty for those who had trips booked from mid-June to mid-September.

“It creates more certainty; there was a lot of confusion,” said council spokeswoman Lisa Cable.

Source: NoCookies | The Australian

If the Prime Minister Scoot Morrison is supporting Hong Kong's freedom, he should include Hong Kong in the travel bubble and exemption from the travel ban on 6th September, so that we can all go back to Hong Kong and vote against the government and support investigation into the violence of Hong Kong Police.

 

[Pushka]

It was in his press release - hardly 'very quietly'.

Sure but the media didn’t pick it up. Just the cruise ship thing. And obviously people here didn’t pick it up. Son who is waiting to go to UK didn’t know about it and for obvious reasons he is doing research.

 

[CityRail]

Sure but the media didn’t pick it up. Just the cruise ship thing. And obviously people here didn’t pick it up. Son who is waiting to go to UK didn’t know about it and for obvious reasons he is doing research.

It will be a while until he can go to the UK, unfortunately. Hopefully by the end of the year when Oxford University invents a vaccine and tests successfully in 2 months time.

 

[Pushka]

It will be a while until he can go to the UK, unfortunately. Hopefully by the end of the year when Oxford University invents a vaccine and tests successfully in 2 months time.

We are thinking Christmas time.

 

[Princess Fiona]

If the Prime Minister Scoot Morrison is supporting Hong Kong's freedom, he should include Hong Kong in the travel bubble and exemption from the travel ban on 6th September, so that we can all go back to Hong Kong and vote against the government and support investigation into the violence of Hong Kong Police.

With all due respect I don’t think the Prime Minister and his advisers will even consider the political situation in Hong Kong when deciding which countries are safe for Australia to have reciprocal travel arrangements. Nor should they.

 

[jase05]

Sounds like a bit of a outbreak in Beijing today

 

[TiredOldFlyer]

Prediction on when International flights may open :-

Jan 9 - ' cause I've booked for the 8th !

 

[p--and--t]

when Oxford University invents a vaccine and tests successfully in 2 months time.

You have now falsely stated that at least 4 times in different threads on this site. I do not understand why you keep repeating false information to members of AFF.

Oxford university have said nothing of the sort.

You can go to their official site and read their progress. They are *not* forecasting to have a viable vaccine fully tested in 2 months time. (September).

They started phase 1 trials in April, just getting into stage 2 (started vaccinations during May and June) , still recruiting for stage 2 and just recruiting for stage 3 which is not started - verbatim from their site for stage 3 when they get around to starting it.

"If transmission remains high, we may get enough data in a couple of months to see if the vaccine works, but if transmission levels drop, this could take up to 6 months. "

Up to six months to collect data from a date in the future which is not yet determined is not September 2020. And that is only to see if it works.

Even if they started stage three next month (and stage 1 and stage 2 are fully successful) and they had a perfect run they would have enough data by September to commence their evaluation of effectiveness only.

Then they have to evaluate it's effectiveness, have it peer reviewed then they have to determine if there are any side effects then they have to try and licence it and get gov approvals and then get it manufactured.

Oxford COVID-19 vaccine to begin phase II/III human trials | University of Oxford

University of Oxford researchers have begun recruiting for the next phase in human trials of a COVID-19 vaccine in human volunteers.

www.ox.ac.uk

 

[Pushka]

then get it manufactured.

Although I did read that many manufacturers had started production on those vaccines showing the most promise. Just in case.

 

[drron]

And just one more fact about the Oxford University vaccine,it is a new type of vaccine not used in humans before so really does need strict testing.

As well there isn't major vaccine manufacturing extra capacity in Australia though hopefully they are working on that.Any extra capacity will take time to appear though.

We will be relying on American and Chinese manufacturers to get sufficient doses for Australia to reach herd immunity,But Chinese vaccine manufacturers have a history of problems so that even Chinese citizens are a bit uneasy with them.

The coronavirus came from China. But so might the vaccine

So far, only eight COVID-19 vaccine efforts have moved to clinical trial stage. And five of them involve Chinese companies or government research institutes. Here's why it would be hugely important to China's Government if a domestic company prevails.

www.abc.net.au

Vaccine confidence in China after the Changsheng vaccine incident: a cross-sectional study - BMC Public Health

Background China’s achievements in immunization are being threatened by a vaccine crisis. This paper aims to investigate vaccine confidence in China after the Changsheng vaccine incident and attempts to identify the factors contributing to it. Methods An online cross-sectional investigation was...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

But on the plus side there are at least 5 well advanced vaccines there that are using the proven inactivated virus + adjuvant method.So probably among the first to be authorised for mass human use.However they are also running into the problem of not enough cases now to have an effective trial so overseas trials are being used by the Chinese companies as well.Here is a Chinese expert giving the Chinese story.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

He has interesting comments on how to contain the virus before a vaccine is available and without lockdowns.

"Q: China’s ahead of the rest of the world in terms of responding to COVID-19, so a big question outside of China is how do we best control this without lockdowns?
A: You have to do early finding of cases, which means measuring temperatures all the time, and you have to do an epidemiological investigation and contact tracing of each case within 24 hours. Prevention has to focus on old people and nursing homes, key personnel, larger factories, pregnant women, and university and school campuses. Scale up testing: Testing is going up in China, even though there are no more cases. In order to guarantee a safe opening, you need to test more people."

"Q: How do you do such large-scale contact tracing?
A: To help at China’s epicenter, Wuhan, and in its province, Hubei, our CDC network formed 1300 epidemic investigation teams, in addition to the 40,000 doctors and nurses. We also use very clever tracing tools with big data support. Everybody has a smartphone, and you have to have this health card in your phone, it has to be with you. We don’t need to interview people and ask them to remember where they went. This is the new normal: If you travel or come in contact with a case, your health card will switch from green and become yellow or red. When you reach a new city, at the train station or the airport, you have to show your health card is green. That’s how we do very good contract tracing in China, and that’s how you control the virus."

 

[CityRail]

You have now falsely stated that at least 4 times in different threads on this site. I do not understand why you keep repeating false information to members of AFF.

Oxford university have said nothing of the sort.

You can go to their official site and read their progress. They are *not* forecasting to have a viable vaccine fully tested in 2 months time. (September).

They started phase 1 trials in April, just getting into stage 2 (started vaccinations during May and June) , still recruiting for stage 2 and just recruiting for stage 3 which is not started - verbatim from their site for stage 3 when they get around to starting it.

"If transmission remains high, we may get enough data in a couple of months to see if the vaccine works, but if transmission levels drop, this could take up to 6 months. "

Up to six months to collect data from a date in the future which is not yet determined is not September 2020. And that is only to see if it works.

Even if they started stage three next month (and stage 1 and stage 2 are fully successful) and they had a perfect run they would have enough data by September to commence their evaluation of effectiveness only.

Then they have to evaluate it's effectiveness, have it peer reviewed then they have to determine if there are any side effects then they have to try and licence it and get gov approvals and then get it manufactured.

Oxford COVID-19 vaccine to begin phase II/III human trials | University of Oxford

University of Oxford researchers have begun recruiting for the next phase in human trials of a COVID-19 vaccine in human volunteers.

www.ox.ac.uk

I am not knowingly provide false information, however I am just quoting from media reports suggesting a number of vaccines will start Phase 3 testing in a month or two's time.

 

[moa999]

The other issue with the 'bubble' is you have to trust the other countries in the bubble.

Eg. Vietnam which to date has done a great job, even with a lengthy Chinese border, and one country you'd consider putting in the bubble.

Is seemingly willing to open it's borders in 1 July to a whole host of countries (including the US and the UK). That suddenly makes it a big risk given tourists will often be in the same areas.

 

[Gremlin]

The other issue with the 'bubble' is you have to trust the other countries in the bubble.

Eg. Vietnam which to date has done a great job, even with a lengthy Chinese border, and one country you'd consider putting in the bubble.

Is seemingly willing to open it's borders in 1 July to a whole host of countries (including the US and the UK). That suddenly makes it a big risk given tourists will often be in the same areas.

Agree. Allegedly this is one of the 'negotiating' points with the Aust/NZ bubble. If the bubble existed and Aust wanted to unilaterally open borders to a country that NZ wasn't prepared to open to, what circumstances would follow? Would NZ have a veto? And vice versa? Would the bubble cease to operate? How would that play out in practice if you already have Aust citizens travelling in NZ and vice versa? It's relatively straightforward when you have two countries in play. As soon as it extends it becomes exponentially trickier to manage.

 

[antycbr]

The other issue with the 'bubble' is you have to trust the other countries in the bubble.

Eg. Vietnam which to date has done a great job, even with a lengthy Chinese border, and one country you'd consider putting in the bubble.

Is seemingly willing to open it's borders in 1 July to a whole host of countries (including the US and the UK). That suddenly makes it a big risk given tourists will often be in the same areas.

Yes it’s a minefield to do this. Australia opens to NZ, from then on we need to open jointly to each third country as a series of expanding circles.

 

[CityRail]

Business Travellers may be given exemption to go overseas before the travel ban is being lifted:

Business travellers may be the first allowed out

Business people travelling for “international benefit” could be among the first to be allowed to leave Australia’s shores without facing two-weeks of quarantine when they return.

With the ban on Australians travelling overseas extended until September 17, there is mounting pressure for the federal government to make certain exemptions.

Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt said there were “two pathways” being explored for the resumption of international travel and the government would be guided by medical advice.

“One is to use our quarantine system with international students and appropriately with people who are delivering international benefit whether that’s in business or other areas,” Mr Hunt said.

“Secondly is where we have a safe relationship with another country, and New Zealand is at the top of the list, having a non-quarantine approach which will open up borders.”

He said there was “a bit more work to be done” and it was unlikely any international travel would be allowed until domestic borders reopened.

Canberra has been under significant pressure from universities to develop a plan to bring international students to Australia to resume their courses, and pilots have joined the chorus.

Source: The Australian

 

[JohnM]

I am not knowingly provide false information, however I am just quoting from media reports suggesting a number of vaccines will start Phase 3 testing in a month or two's time.

That may be true, but it is more than that. You are constantly extrapolating way beyond what those reports say - and repeatedly ignoring all of the caveats within them.

 

[drron]

Now Bermuda is opening up to tourism from July 1.you do need to have a certified Covid test done within 72 hours of deparure.however very few ways of getting there at present.

Bermuda Reveals Plans To Restart Tourism

Bermuda will welcome visitors from around the world as of July 1, 2020, with a PCR COVID-19 test required within 72 hours of departure.

onemileatatime.com

Flights - Skyport - Bermuda L. F. Wade International Airport

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