Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[JB expat]

International vaccination ‘passports’ may be available from October​

By Katina Curtis​

Prime Minister Scott Morrison estimates vaccination “passports” that will be recognised internationally and be able to be carried digitally on smartphones will be available in October.
The concept of certificates recognised around the world has been a topic of conversation with leaders at meetings such as the G7 and APEC, he says.

“We already have vaccine certificates [in Australia],” Mr Morrison says.
“Later in the year, about October we estimate, we will have a vaccination certificate that will be able to be ... internationally recognised to facilitate when people are moving out of the country and into the country, being able to recognise others’ certificates, that is something that has been a common feature of the conversations I have been having with other leaders.”

 

[roogirl]

International vaccination ‘passports’ may be available from October​

By Katina Curtis​

Prime Minister Scott Morrison estimates vaccination “passports” that will be recognised internationally and be able to be carried digitally on smartphones will be available in October.
The concept of certificates recognised around the world has been a topic of conversation with leaders at meetings such as the G7 and APEC, he says.

“We already have vaccine certificates [in Australia],” Mr Morrison says.
“Later in the year, about October we estimate, we will have a vaccination certificate that will be able to be ... internationally recognised to facilitate when people are moving out of the country and into the country, being able to recognise others’ certificates, that is something that has been a common feature of the conversations I have been having with other leaders.”

That will be helpful for all the politicians and sports people - one less piece of paper to carry out of the island prison

 

[mviy]

I expect around that timeframe it may become much harder to get an exemption to travel without being vaccinated. They may start to make it a condition of exemptions that the traveller is fully vaccinated prior to departure except for compassionate reasons.

 

[JB expat]

More on opening international borders - definitely getting louder

‘Crisis point’: CBA chairman calls for plan to reopen borders

The chairman of the country’s biggest bank says businesses cannot attract foreign workers to Australia because people worry they’ll be trapped here.

www.theage.com.au

 

[roogirl]

More on opening international borders - definitely getting louder

‘Crisis point’: CBA chairman calls for plan to reopen borders

The chairman of the country’s biggest bank says businesses cannot attract foreign workers to Australia because people worry they’ll be trapped here.

www.theage.com.au

Unfortunately that does nothing to move public sentiment as the reaction is just “well those jobs should be going to Aussies anyway!”. Have seen it before.

 

[Flashback]

Unfortunately that does nothing to move public sentiment as the reaction is just “well those jobs should be going to Aussies anyway!”. Have seen it before.

* | Latest Market News | Argus Media

UK-Australian resources firm BHP expects to produce 246mn-255mn t of iron ore from its Western Australian (WA) operations on an equity basis for the 2021-22 fiscal year to 30 June, after a weaker than expected April-June quarter because of labour shortages bought it within its 2020-21 guidance...

www.argusmedia.com

Likewise in mining. The economy isn't looking so strong now, eh?

 

[Must...Fly!]

Unfortunately that does nothing to move public sentiment as the reaction is just “well those jobs should be going to Aussies anyway!”. Have seen it before.

It'll change quick when people realise this isn't a cry out for cheaper skills, it's a cry out for skilled people of any kind.

 

[dajop]

It'll change quick when people realise this isn't a cry out for cheaper skills, it's a cry out for skilled people of any kind.

You assume a degree of sophistication in the mainstream media to discuss this problem and enough of a “care factor” in the swinging voter cohort in the marginal electorates that probably just doesn’t exist.

 

[hb13]

Isn’t it a bit early to draw that conclusion?

Of course, at the moment, the vaccination rates are unacceptable,

So you are agreeing with me? Of course I'm talking about right now.

Regarding supply and scare tactics re AZ vaccine, that's all part of the issue that needs to be resolved. Every country has had many issues, yet, rates a few months after the rollout started were very high (Australia has been vaccinating for five months now).

 

[Tiki]

How many deaths will we accept so the rest of us can be free? — Herald Sun. I found this in Apple news app. I hope this link works. For those who are more pragmatic.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

How many deaths will we accept so the rest of us can be free? — Herald Sun. I found this in Apple news app. I hope this link works. For those who are more pragmatic.

Unfortunately behind a paywall.

 

[N860CR]

Unfortunately behind a paywall.

Key focus is below. Quite a fairly written article, frustratingly it’s doesn’t play well with the general populous (my bolding)

We used to accept the 1000 to 2000 deaths each year from the flu as a fair price for the freedom to carry on.

We still consider the more than 1100 people who die on our roads each year an acceptable price for our freedom to drive. We think 6000 deaths from alcohol each year is a bargain for the freedom to drink.

Yet just one virus death of a 90-year-old is a national tragedy, to be announced at a press conference as justification for making Australians stay at home.

Blame much of this fear on the exaggerations of “experts”.

 

[Ric]

Of course, at the moment, the vaccination rates are unacceptable, but isn’t the problem right now one of supply (of the darling-vaccine) ? Only once the supply of Pfizer ramps up will iit be possible to judge true vaccine hesitancy and a likely eventual rate?

I wouldn’t be surprised, once Pfizer is on tap, that demand from the younger generation skyrockets - as long as there is a potential path out of ongoing lockdowns.

And I have not read or heard of any indication that our Dear Leader has been on the phone to the Head of Pfizer (Global) or our Great Ally (who always has our back) seeking early deliveries (as in yesterday) more Pfizer and or Moderna.

 

[bcworld]

How many deaths will we accept so the rest of us can be free? — Herald Sun. I found this in Apple news app. I hope this link works. For those who are more pragmatic.

Also can't read, and never would pay to read the HS, however I can see it's a Bolt piece.

It would be interesting to look back and see how often Bolt has used the deaths of about 650 aged care residents in Victoria as political capital.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Key focus is below. Quite a fairly written article, frustratingly it’s doesn’t play well with the general populous (my bolding)

We used to accept the 1000 to 2000 deaths each year from the flu as a fair price for the freedom to carry on.

We still consider the more than 1100 people who die on our roads each year an acceptable price for our freedom to drive. We think 6000 deaths from alcohol each year is a bargain for the freedom to drink.

Yet just one virus death of a 90-year-old is a national tragedy, to be announced at a press conference as justification for making Australians stay at home.

Blame much of this fear on the exaggerations of “experts”.

I'm not sure if that reasoning holds true.

The thing is we don't 'accept' 1000+ roads deaths a year. The aim of most governments is now along the lines of 'towards zero'. Driving is highly regulated... seat belts, severe speed limits in cities, limits of engine capacity for new drivers, speed cameras, can't even touch your phone while the engine is running. There are severe penalties including gaol if your driving causes injury to others.

Aviation... we don't accept a single death there. The entire MAX fleet was grounded, as have other models when problems occur. A single accident can impose multi-million dollar obligations on airlines to fix an issue or change procedures.

Alcohol is also highly regulated. There are multiple restrictions and bans in place to regulate its use and minimise its harm. I'd argue we don't 'accept' alcohol related deaths.

I don't think we accept the flu either... but we have a vaccine for that. We also have the 'no jab, no play' policy for other diseases. A 'freedom' taken away from people for arguably a very limited benefit (given most kids are willingly vaccinated by parents, why impose such a draconian measure for the remaining few who refuse?)

I'm note sure there is exaggeration by experts. We saw India, USA, Europe, UK, South America....

 

[Pushka]

Given that within a year or so of the terrorist attacks in Bali, tourists were flocking back, and again a couple of years later, I think our appetite for the management of risk is a lot greater than some might think. We have absolutely no control over terrorist attacks, we do have some degree of control over flu and now covid, plus all the other viral illnesses and that is vaccination.

 

[JB expat]

Key focus is below. Quite a fairly written article, frustratingly it’s doesn’t play well with the general populous (my bolding)

We used to accept the 1000 to 2000 deaths each year from the flu as a fair price for the freedom to carry on.

We still consider the more than 1100 people who die on our roads each year an acceptable price for our freedom to drive. We think 6000 deaths from alcohol each year is a bargain for the freedom to drink.

Yet just one virus death of a 90-year-old is a national tragedy, to be announced at a press conference as justification for making Australians stay at home.

Blame much of this fear on the exaggerations of “experts”.

I think that this would read much better if "the Pfizer" was readily available so that anyone/everyone who wanted a jab could have one. That is the "seatbelt" to continue the analogy used above. The vaccine rollout is the single most important factor and the impact/consequences of the delay cannot be under estimated.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Given that within a year or so of the terrorist attacks in Bali, tourists were flocking back, and again a couple of years later, I think our appetite for the management of risk is a lot greater than some might think. We have absolutely no control over terrorist attacks, we do have some degree of control over flu and now covid, plus all the other viral illnesses and that is vaccination.

Acceptance of risk is a strange beast. People might have gone back to Bali, but on their way to Bali they will absolutely refuse to fly Garuda because it's 'unsafe'. But they'll fly there on Air Asia or Malaysia Airlines

 

[JB expat]

Acceptance of risk is a strange beast. People might have gone back to Bali, but on their way to Bali they will absolutely refuse to fly Garuda because it's 'unsafe'. But they'll fly there on Air Asia or Malaysia Airlines

People's analysis of risk changes when there is money involved and yet cost has nothing to do with actual risk.

I am always stunned by people not wanting to pay to book assigned seats and then worry about what will happen to their children if seated separately. Or people who want full flexibility but won't pay the higher fees for a fully flexible cancellation policy. Maybe if Australia charged $10 for the Pfizer and $5 for the AZ things would be different. That is said tongue in cheek - I'm grateful it is all free of cost (other than taxes).

 

[burmans]

Interesting to see how the cases overseas change. After a period where both the US seemed to be doing so well and even for a time dropped out of the top ten for new cases, they are now back at the top of the pops.

for 20 July, UK 46K cases, US 42K cases, deaths UK 102, US 298

That UK celebration of the end of Covid may have been premature given they got down to an average of 6 deaths at one stage. 6 may have been acceptable as 'living with Covid' but unsure that will remain the case as deaths rise.