Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[mviy]

As per my earlier post prediction this will lead to NSW opening first followed 2-4 weeks later VIC. Once you have the biggest states (via population) opened to international travel and they are both a LNP and ALP Governments the others will eventually have to fall in line.

NSW will probably need VIC to hit 80% or come very close to it before the national average reaches 80%. I suspect they will begin to reopen to international travel at the same time.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NSW will probably need VIC to hit 80% or come very close to it before the national average reaches 80%. I suspect they will begin to reopen to international travel at the same time.

Good to have pride in your State vaccinations, but I doubt it.....NSW with ACT and 70%+ contributions from Vic and SA would probably be enough to get there. Whether the Federal Government decides to wait a couple of weeks for Victoria and SA will be a matter for them.

 

[Port Power]

Friend of mine has adopted this approach and won't be told otherwise. "No covid here and McGowan won't let it in, why rush, I'll get it when i have to but not before"

Would be cute if not so naive

Similar to my son’s mate, but his wife said said they are being vaccinated now, and are booked in.

 

[jakeseven7]

I had to laugh at him being surprised that QF is now talking Darwin. What did he expect? It’s the only logical outcome.

This could be a huge huge opportunity for Darwin. Good on them.

 

[MARTINE]

This could be a huge huge opportunity for Darwin. Good on them.

Yes yes yes yes yes please - if they get it right I can travel to my first Australian destination & overseas.
….At the risk of being howled down - MMG could use the experience of NSW/VIC and from a position of strength massively embark on program to vaccinate his population to 80%. He has the capacity to have people listen to him and follow…
What a wasted public health opportunity. This disappoints me greatly.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yes yes yes yes yes please - if they get it right I can travel to my first Australian destination & overseas.
….At the risk of being howled down - MMG could use the experience of NSW/VIC and from a position of strength massively embark on program to vaccinate his population to 80%. He has the capacity to have people listen to him and follow…
What a wasted public health opportunity. This disappoints me greatly.

WA Health simply don’t have the health infrastructure to deliver any sort of rapid vaccination program I’m afraid. They are the worst state based health system in Australia on many public health kpis.

A lot of the garbage coming out of WA is because they are trying to deflect attention away from this.

So all this would lead me to conclude WA will be the last place in Australia, perhaps the region to see international flights return.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

WA Health simply don’t have the health infrastructure to deliver any sort of rapid vaccination program I’m afraid. They are the worst state based health system in Australia on many public health kpis.

A lot of the garbage coming out of WA is because they are trying to deflect attention away from this.

So all this would lead me to conclude WA will be the last place in Australia, perhaps the region to see international flights return.

Honestly if there was an outbreak in WA and everyone else was already at 80%, the ADF would be sent in to help with vaccinations.

 

[MARTINE]

Honestly if there was an outbreak in WA and everyone else was already at 80%, the ADF would be sent in to help with vaccinations.

Yes
I fear that too.
… he has the ‘luxury‘ of watching the crisis from a position of strength - seeing what has to be done to avert it - knowing what’s lacking and - words fail me - if the best he can do is look away ..

 

[louie-m]

So it looks like when we come back into Australia in May 2022 it will be via SYD and on to SA for a 2 week holiday before returning to QLD.

I'm in a similar situation but a bit before then, so a bit off topic, but I'd be interested in people's thoughts......

We live in a (mobile) caravan, travelling around. We have a permit to leave and are proposing to go next month and return somewhere between mid-Jan and early Feb depending on whether we get bumped and how many times, then two weeks in quarantine of course. Returning to Sydney. No real choice in that are some flights are award ones booked ages ago and obviously no scope to move those and the paid one is SQ in PE and they only go into Sydney in that class. In any case, I reckon we stand more chance of getting into Sydney than anywhere else.

We were booked to leave from Sydney next month, the plan being to leave the van there, return and do up our Sydney unit. Now delayed due to building works to the whole block being delayed. So no specific need to be anywhere in particular when we get back.

When the Sydney situation started we nipped over the Queensland border and we are still here. I changed the flights out of Oz to Brisbane. That of course means leaving the van in Queensland (in an ideal world I'd leave it in say Ballina and then pop back to Brisbane Airport but that's not going to work). Which means getting back to it after Sydney hotel quarantine may be a problem.

What do you think is better? Leaving it here or going over the NSW border and flying say Ballina to Sydney and out of Sydney, if that's even possible in lockdown (is it?)? Any better suggestions?

 

[mviy]

Good to have pride in your State vaccinations, but I doubt it.....NSW with ACT and 70%+ contributions from Vic and SA would probably be enough to get there. Whether the Federal Government decides to wait a couple of weeks for Victoria and SA will be a matter for them.

Well another point is that when they do start to ease they may wish to have a few weeks where arrivals caps are eased and perhaps have a month or so where people have to commit to staying away for at least a month that depart outside the current exemption categories so that a decent chunk of the backlog of those overseas wanting to come home can be cleared.

 

[oznflfan]

Yes
I fear that too.
… he has the ‘luxury‘ of watching the crisis from a position of strength - seeing what has to be done to avert it - knowing what’s lacking and - words fail me - if the best he can do is look away ..

What happens is February when all states open to each other, he may put medium, high even extreme risk on all states. No-one can come into WA.

Dockers and Eagles would have to approach the AFL to make MCG or Marvel their home ground for 2022.

That plus Qantas pulling out, BHP threatening to relocate to East Coast, iron ore price continuing to drop, inability to get workers for mines or health, if he keeps this up by end of 2022 WA will be a basketcase.

He needs to think 1,5,20 years in the future.

 

[coyote25]

Agree, I have tried to inform.

And that’s the part we can all play. After that the consequences are on the individual who made their decision whatever it is.

 

[drron]

I'm in a similar situation but a bit before then, so a bit off topic, but I'd be interested in people's thoughts......

We live in a (mobile) caravan, travelling around. We have a permit to leave and are proposing to go next month and return somewhere between mid-Jan and early Feb depending on whether we get bumped and how many times, then two weeks in quarantine of course. Returning to Sydney. No real choice in that are some flights are award ones booked ages ago and obviously no scope to move those and the paid one is SQ in PE and they only go into Sydney in that class. In any case, I reckon we stand more chance of getting into Sydney than anywhere else.

We were booked to leave from Sydney next month, the plan being to leave the van there, return and do up our Sydney unit. Now delayed due to building works to the whole block being delayed. So no specific need to be anywhere in particular when we get back.

When the Sydney situation started we nipped over the Queensland border and we are still here. I changed the flights out of Oz to Brisbane. That of course means leaving the van in Queensland (in an ideal world I'd leave it in say Ballina and then pop back to Brisbane Airport but that's not going to work). Which means getting back to it after Sydney hotel quarantine may be a problem.

What do you think is better? Leaving it here or going over the NSW border and flying say Ballina to Sydney and out of Sydney, if that's even possible in lockdown (is it?)? Any better suggestions?

Probably better to fly out of SYD in your case with the van.I also have a feeling the QLD border will be shut to NSW for the next few months and quite possibly snap shut a few times thereafter.
Flying out of BNE is unlikely to be the problem if you have a firm booking as until the end of the year planes will be coming in with their high paying customers and freight.It is returning that worries me.I am sure even in Mid May when we return QLD will still very likely have HQ but I doubt NSW will.Even if home quarantine in NSW I am sure they would let you fly to Ballina and spend it in your van.

Even though we have SQ awards SIN-BNE in May we have back up bookings into SYD.

 

[MARTINE]

What happens is February when all states open to each other, he may put medium, high even extreme risk on all states. No-one can come into WA.

Dockers and Eagles would have to approach the AFL to make MCG or Marvel their home ground for 2022.

That plus Qantas pulling out, BHP threatening to relocate to East Coast, iron ore price continuing to drop, inability to get workers for mines or health, if he keeps this up by end of 2022 WA will be a basketcase.

He needs to think 1,5,20 years in the future.

Ok - what can we do to keep supporting the Darwinian option (irony free)???

 

[Pushka]

And that’s the part we can all play. After that the consequences are on the individual who made their decision whatever it is.

Not really. It could stop us reaching the 80% or impact on health services. We may all pay for their decision.

 

[bernardblack]

Any Donuts in ScoMo's National plan post 80% Fully Vaxxed Vaccination Rate? Because that is what Dan has stated he is following.

Before that, who would say no to some donuts if you can get them.

He's also still lashing-out like a petulant child (albeit one who somehow was permitted to have control over the lives of millions), and signalling strongly against any reliable commitment to the plan, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

He's also still lashing-out like a petulant child (albeit one who somehow was permitted to have control over the lives of millions), and signalling strongly against any reliable commitment to the plan, so I'm not holding my

The times I have seen it spoken on by Andrews or Foley, is that they are committed to the plan to get to the next stage of living with covid and vaccinating people to get there with the timelines constrained subject to the vaccine supply rate.

Note that the agreed national plan is not just vaccinations. Also note I presume that plan will have had some tweaks after yesterday's national cabinet.

 

[bernardblack]

The higher he perches himself on that hill, the harder he will fall when it all comes crashing down, I fear.

 

[antycbr]

Same. You can see this happening in NZ. Rather than showboating, vaccinate!

 

[jakeseven7]

Same. You can see this happening in NZ. Rather than showboating, vaccinate!

But how else do you get on TV… endless shots of people being stuck in the arm with a needle is soooo boring….