Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Batterytraveller]

Well that doesn't help the Victorians stranded overseas. Another trial that's not testing the general population returning from overseas, but still better than nothing.

He presented it as a pilot with domestic coming before international.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Well the PM is sending them a letter telling them to get AZ. We can't wait forever for those who refuse to help themselves.

That's a positive step. Did he say when?

My point is about the gap.

I doubt mainstream Australia will stop reopening for them. They willfully/negligently just get left behind - like most other things pre-covid. You saying “refuse to help themselves” I feel demonstrates you don’t understand the problem for that segment of society.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

If remote communities are hard to vaccinate owing to logistics, then they are probably also afforded another layer of protection. Lot of discussion at the presser with the PM today on what they are doing to overcome vaccine hesitancy in indigenous communities.

Hope there are details of what that layer is. My negative impression is that “hesitancy” is used as a cop out. I doubt it’s much more than 20% a la the general population. With indigenous now dying in Western NSW, it May start reducing hesitancy segment.

 

[jrfsp]

If remote communities are hard to vaccinate owing to logistics, then they are probably also afforded another layer of protection. Lot of discussion at the presser with the PM today on what they are doing to overcome vaccine hesitancy in indigenous communities.

To a degree yes, but we've seen with Wilcannia it cannot be relied on - once it gets in it spreads like wildfire. Often in remote communities there are little to no health facilities and the population has significant comorbidities. Thankfully there's has been a big response in this case with the Defense force, RFDS, temporary accommodation being sent in, but if this was happening in a huge number of communities all over the country it would be disastrous

 

[Seat0B]

I agree with your message but it doesn’t cover those elderly who for whatever reason wanted to choose Pfizer. And that would include over 50s.

And there are plenty in the 60-69 age group (my age group) who want to have the choice according to this ABC item:

Over 60 and waiting for Pfizer? You could die waiting

The Delta "horse has bolted" and with over half a million Australians aged between 60 and 69 yet to receive a single COVID vaccine, the AMA and Prime Minister deliver a stark warning to those holding out for Pfizer.

www.abc.net.au

I actually understand the sentiments expressed - over 60's are the only age group not being given a choice of vaccines (and of course now the 12-16s also not being given a choice, but they are not being solely offered a vaccine that has been trashed by medical and media people alike).

As it happens I am happy to have AZ, because that is the vaccine I would have chosen had I been given a choice, but those who followed along my much earlier posts in vaccine threads know that I was very resentful at not being offered a choice. I did it anyway, but clearly many others are not doing so.

 

[Seat0B]

Well the PM is sending them a letter telling them to get AZ. We can't wait forever for those who refuse to help themselves.

I'm pretty sure that is not going to have too much impact at all on getting people to accept AZ who have not already done so in this age group that has been eligible for ages (since May, I believe).

If we want people to get vaccinated, probably time to give them the choice - for example, that they can hang around the hubs and get shot up on an opportunity basis at the end of the day, or can book with a pharmacist for the Moderna whenever it arrives. The government digging in its heels and saying its AZ or nothing is likely to result in many of these people saying, OK, nothing it is then. They have already shown that propensity.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I'm pretty sure that is not going to have too much impact at all on getting people to accept AZ who have not already done so in this age group that has been eligible for ages (since May, I believe).

If we want people to get vaccinated, probably time to give them the choice - for example, that they can hang around the hubs and get shot up on an opportunity basis at the end of the day, or can book with a pharmacist for the Moderna whenever it arrives. The government digging in its heels and saying its AZ or nothing is likely to result in many of these people saying, OK, nothing it is then. They have already shown that propensity.

Yes, I was for choice a long time ago - with the swap deal done and hence sufficient supply into November to cover the entire population - there is no reason not to have free choice from say 1 November.

Of course except 12-17 who have only 1 vaccine approved at the moment.

 

[Jousams]

And there are plenty in the 60-69 age group (my age group) who want to have the choice according to this ABC item:

Over 60 and waiting for Pfizer? You could die waiting

The Delta "horse has bolted" and with over half a million Australians aged between 60 and 69 yet to receive a single COVID vaccine, the AMA and Prime Minister deliver a stark warning to those holding out for Pfizer.

www.abc.net.au

I actually understand the sentiments expressed - over 60's are the only age group not being given a choice of vaccines (and of course now the 12-16s also not being given a choice, but they are not being solely offered a vaccine that has been trashed by medical and media people alike).

As it happens I am happy to have AZ, because that is the vaccine I would have chosen had I been given a choice, but those who followed along my much earlier posts in vaccine threads know that I was very resentful at not being offered a choice. I did it anyway, but clearly many others are not doing so.

I'm pretty sure that is not going to have too much impact at all on getting people to accept AZ who have not already done so in this age group that has been eligible for ages (since May, I believe).

If we want people to get vaccinated, probably time to give them the choice - for example, that they can hang around the hubs and get shot up on an opportunity basis at the end of the day, or can book with a pharmacist for the Moderna whenever it arrives. The government digging in its heels and saying its AZ or nothing is likely to result in many of these people saying, OK, nothing it is then. They have already shown that propensity.

I think they should have a choice after the other groups have had a choice. Younger age groups have sacrificed so much in order to protect the older age groups. IMO it’s pretty untenable for older people to then push in front for a Pfizer when AZ is available.

 

[mviy]

Yet more overseas media coverage of the international travel ban: ‘Covid prison’: UK slams Australia

Hopefully it won't be too long before the media in our own country demands we reopen the international borders.

 

[antycbr]

Yet more overseas media coverage of the international travel ban: ‘Covid prison’: UK slams Australia

Hopefully it won't be too long before the media in our own country demands we reopen the international borders.

The PM announced it's happening in line with the plan today. Guaranteed.

 

[Seat0B]

I think they should have a choice after the other groups have had a choice. Younger age groups have sacrificed so much in order to protect the older age groups. IMO it’s pretty untenable for older people to then push in front for a Pfizer when AZ is available.

I'm not sure I agree with you if you are suggesting that it is only younger age groups who have had to make sacrifices for the good of the community. Plenty of people of all ages have sacrificed a lot for others in this mess.

And I am not suggesting that they push in front - I did suggest that they do it with Pfizer left overs on an opportunity basis and Moderna (which isn't coming until November, when the younger people will have had plenty of Pfizer access) and will have access to Moderna as well.

And for the record, I have had AZ. However, I really understand the feelings that are being expressed about not having any choice - and being the only ones not offered a choice (except now 12-17s as I also mentioned)

The real issue is, do we want people vaccinated or not? If this group won't accept AZ and would accept something else, there is a clear way to get them to vaccinate.

 

[mviy]

This is not the vaccination thread. Any comments about vaccination should have some clear links to international travel. Can we get back to the topic please?

 

[Princess Fiona]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that we might still have the doona on but this week we stuck our toes out to see how cold it is ?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

This is not the vaccination thread. Any comments about vaccination should have some clear links to international travel. Can we get back to the topic please?

Fair enough and sorry for my contribution to the divertion.

The post by you implying that people have no excuse (which isn't completely true) doesn't help the situation.......back to predictions - As I said I agree with your message:

Travel ban lifted 1 November (because Aus reached national 80%)
a) from 1 November everyone can return via Sydney/Canberra provided there is suitable home quarantine in NSW/ACT, others need to meet the cap for their home state (either direct international/transit domestic)
b) from about 30 November people can return provided there is suitable home quarantine in Vic (and possibly SA from about 15 December) (or part of international/domestic cap).

The others are a bit too difficult to predict....

There is a major issue about those that land in one "open" location but need to go through I guess mandatory hotel quarantine to be at a "closed" location.

 

[Seat0B]

This is not the vaccination thread. Any comments about vaccination should have some clear links to international travel. Can we get back to the topic please?

They are totally and inextricably linked!

If we want the borders open, then we need to get a lot of people vaccinated. it's hard to predict when travel might be allowed given the National plan links that to.....percentage of people vaccinated!

 

[mviy]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that we might still have the doona on but this week we stuck our toes out to see how cold it is ?

That could be right. I think my MPs state and federal (or more probably their staffers) might be getting a bit sick of me writing to them about the need to reopen the international borders. If we don't reopen this year I may write to the PM again.

Travel ban lifted 1 November (because Aus reached national 80%)

That would be great.

There is a major issue about those that land in one "open" location but need to go through I guess mandatory hotel quarantine to be at a "closed" location.

AirBNB demand could go through the roof. One might need to book an AirBNB for a few weeks or so, get a day 17 test and then be prepared to do quarantine in a closed state if they are still closed. We'll need to see more detail.

They are totally and inextricably linked!

I understand that, but some posts are discussing vaccination issues without even a passing reference to what this means for international travel.

 

[jrfsp]

That could be right. I think my MPs state and federal (or more probably their staffers) might be getting a bit sick of me writing to them about the need to reopen the international borders. If we don't reopen this year I may write to the PM again.


That would be great.


AirBNB demand could go through the roof. One might need to book an AirBNB for a few weeks or so, get a day 17 test and then be prepared to do quarantine in a closed state if they are still closed. We'll need to see more detail.

I understand that, but some posts are discussing vaccination issues without even a passing reference to what this means for international travel.

I agree - airbnb / short stay apartment will be a very popular choice for "home quarantine". Unless people are travelling as a household, quarantine for all at home wont be that popular.

We might see a lot of granny flats popping up!

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

One positive thing from the last few days, PM is going to be giving (or i imagine instructing their sending by supplier) of the 500,000 to singapore in december and 4,000,000 to UK in december.

makes me think they are well on track to wash their hands of this whole bloody mess by december.

to which hopefully i will be at a bar in nothern england with a real coal fire watching the snow outside with an icecold top notch pint of guiness-extra-cold

 

[mviy]

Before these swaps we were going to be swimming in vaccines in the last quarter of the year, more than what we needed then, but insufficient leading up to then. What's happened with these swaps is bringing forward some of the doses from the end of the year to when we need them now.

Considering the gaps between doses, the sooner we get people their first doses, the sooner we can give them their second, reach our vaccination targets and open up to international travel.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I agree - airbnb / short stay apartment will be a very popular choice for "home quarantine". Unless people are travelling as a household, quarantine for all at home wont be that popular.

We might see a lot of granny flats popping up!

Yes short stay will work for some situations, but if you need to end up in say WA/Qld - Qld might allow a NSW transit cap quarantine, but WA almost definitely won't allow a NSW transit (extreme risk). Wherever we can remove double quarantine would need to be a priority of some sort.

The NSW "home quarantine" might need to be set aside for say - zero community LGAs in regional/rural NSW, but I think NSW authorities won't bother.