Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[p--and--t]

I am intrigued by the feds excuse of not being able to get more people home as "nsw has limited capacity (not of rooms they don't) and vic is shut down and the airlines mainly fly there".

Which airline will knock back the chance to put more seats in the air and fill flights and make profits to different destinations (capitals or regional international airports) if the cap was raised and they were actually approached by the gov with a guarantee they could land????

All I see is sticks and no carrots.

 

[dajop]

Which airline will knock back the chance to put more seats in the air and fill flights and make profits to different destinations (capitals or regional international airports) if the cap was raised and they were actually approached by the gov with a guarantee they could land????

It could be more complicated than that. So SQ, MH, CX, QR etc are all still flying into MEL, without inbound pax. Presumably they have OK loads out of MEL and also carrying freight into and out of MEL to generate cash (perhaps not profit) from the flight. So it's probably reasonable to assume their plane needs to go through MEL.

In one scenario, to carry passengers inbound to Australia they get the OK to fly into HBA. So they fly (say for QR), DOH-HBA-MEL-DOH, as they probably don't have enough HBA-DOH pax to make it worthwhile, or even DOH-HBA freight. What about extra crewing costs? The extra sector etc? Does it make it worthwhile for them?

 

[jakeseven7]

I am intrigued by the feds excuse of not being able to get more people home as "nsw has limited capacity (not of rooms they don't) and vic is shut down and the airlines mainly fly there".

Which airline will knock back the chance to put more seats in the air and fill flights and make profits to different destinations (capitals or regional international airports) if the cap was raised and they were actually approached by the gov with a guarantee they could land????

All I see is sticks and no carrots.

No outbound traffic allowed from AU means little inbound demand back. Plus who would want to come and holiday here with 2 weeks quarantine?

 

[RAM]

No outbound traffic allowed from AU means little inbound demand back. Plus who would want to come and holiday here with 2 weeks quarantine?

Just when you thought it was safe...

You can actually see quite a lot of detail on each individual airlines flights to each destination.

International airline activity

Summary Time series

www.bitre.gov.au

Turns out around 25,244 international passengers arrived in June. Odd how delayed the July figures are - still not released...

For example, much to my surprise VA (with 503) carried nearly the same number of people into/out of Australia as Q (with 534) did in June 2020, at 0.8% each of international passengers.



There is reportedly massive inbound demand - some even by Australian citizens!


A word of warning if you look into the much more detailed (city pairs etc) tables. The number of flights shown include freighter flights as well as passenger. So in one case it lists 16 inbound flights for Q from the US - only 1 of which carried passengers.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Australia’s vaccine progress - relevant to international flights perhaps - oh dear

Huge setback for Australia’s vaccine hopes

The coronavirus vaccine Australia has invested in has been dealt a major setback after researchers uncovered a suspected serious adverse reaction in a trial participant.

www.news.com.au

 

[Seat0B]

Oh that is a blow. But very good to see that the "fast tracked process" is still allowing these issues to surface and be resolved before the vaccine is rolled out more widely.

 

[dajop]

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[jakeseven7]

Queensland and WA should be helping and taking more international arrivals: Berejiklian

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has again called on Queensland to reopen its border with her state and the ACT, adding that she wishes it would also take more international arrivals.

"It hurts when you hear about grandparents not having met grandchildren yet," she said in reference to the hard border closure.

She added that she would like to see Western Australia and Queensland do more in quarantining international arrivals: "Why WA and Queensland won't take more Australians coming home, I don't know."

Using stronger language, Health Minister Brad Hazzard said he could "only express [his] anger] at the ongoing hard border closure.

"Currently it is nothing more than base loopy politics," he said. "I'm appalled by what's going on up there."

Mr Hazzard said he was speaking to Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles sometimes multiple times a day resolving issues for individual residents in accessing health treatment.

As it happened: Victoria records 76 new COVID-19 cases as AstraZeneca pauses vaccine study; Sydney pub ordered to close as Australian death toll jumps to 781

Modelling used by the Victorian government to justify its strict lockdown regime is based on outdated contact tracing methods. NSW has issued health alerts for a cafe, malls, gym and a golf club.

www.theage.com.au

 

[jakeseven7]

Premier Annastacia Palaszcuk under fire again for border 'special treatment' approach, is lashed for ongoing 'double-standard' restrictions


Tom Hanks doesn't have to undergo hotel quarantine after flying into Queensland from the U.S., despite Premier Annastacia Palaszcuk's 'double-standard' border closures tearing families with serious medical conditions apart and leaving small towns without supplies.

Ms Palaszcuk copped fierce criticism for letting 400 AFL officials descend on the state ahead of the Grand Final, while repeatedly knocking back everyday Australians with health or family reasons.

The embattled premier took on a line-up of MPs who grilled her in parliament on Wednesday about the lack of consistency of her border rules designed to contain COVID-19 in southern states. Ms Palaszczuk confirmed Hanks was exempt from quarantine.

The premier's special treatment of Hanks is likely to stir up even more criticism, after a Queensland grandmother was forced to recover from brain surgery in a quarantine hotel.

Jayne Brown, 60, spent two weeks confined to a tiny hotel room in Brisbane following her recent return from Sydney, where renowned neurosurgeon Dr Charlie Teo removed two large tumours on her brain. The grandmother-of-seven requested an exemption from hotel quarantine to self-isolate at home on the Sunshine Coast, but was rejected twice.

She blasted the Queensland premier, who allowed 400 AFL officials to enter the state on Tuesday night in a resort with access to common facilities and outdoor space.

'I don't understand it, mind-blowing,' Ms Brown told Nine News last week.

Not even a letter from Dr Teo himself could convince Queensland officials to change their mind and allow Ms Brown and her husband to isolate at their home.

Instead, she struggled through hotel confinement in agony unable to walk and limited access to pain relief.

As it happened: Victoria records 76 new COVID-19 cases as AstraZeneca pauses vaccine study; Sydney pub ordered to close as Australian death toll jumps to 781

Modelling used by the Victorian government to justify its strict lockdown regime is based on outdated contact tracing methods. NSW has issued health alerts for a cafe, malls, gym and a golf club.

www.smh.com.au

 

[RAM]

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has again called on Queensland to reopen its border with her state and the ACT, adding that she wishes it would also take more international arrivals.

"It hurts when you hear about grandparents not having met grandchildren yet," she said in reference to the hard border closure.

Hypocritical?

Are Victorian grandparents (not on the NSW border) living in regional Victoria with grandchildren in NSW any different then?

If only the petty partisan politics would cease. The Chinese Communist Party must be rubbing their hands with glee - a house divided....

 

[dajop]

If only the petty partisan politics would cease.

It's devolved into something quite pathetic.

 

[jakeseven7]

Hypocritical?

Are Victorian grandparents (not on the NSW border) living in regional Victoria with grandchildren in NSW any different then?

Dan and Gladys both agreed on that border and she has committed to opening the VIC/NSW border as soon as they both agree. Victorians can't move more than 5km at the moment so its a redundant conversation.

Anyway, the article was more on international borders, as this thread is as well so it will be interesting to see if the QLD premier agrees to processing more NORMAL PEOPLE overseas arrivals....

 

[dajop]

Victorians can't move more than 5km at the moment so its a redundant conversation.

Not exactly true. Victoria is more than just Melbourne!!

Those in regional Victoria, although the advice is they " should stay close to home" and "limit travel where you can" are permitted to leave home for one of the four reasons, and can travel more than 5km. Indeed many do need to travel more than that to buy food (or buy food at affordable prices).

Those in metropolitan Melbourne can move more than 5km for care or work, but not for exercise or to purchase food.

 

[love_the_life]

Hypocritical?

Are Victorian grandparents (not on the NSW border) living in regional Victoria with grandchildren in NSW any different then?

If only the petty partisan politics would cease. The Chinese Communist Party must be rubbing their hands with glee - a house divided....

Regardless of where grandparents and new grandchildren are, I may be hard but my views is suck it up princess. A few months is not the be all or end all. And yes, I am sure everyone wants to meet the new grandies and there are some cases where there are reasons but there are far worse things.

 

[Pushka]

Regardless of where grandparents and new grandchildren are, I may be hard but my views is suck it up princess. A few months is not the be all or end all. And yes, I am sure everyone wants to meet the new grandies and there are some cases where there are reasons but there are far worse things.

Very harsh there,

 

[DC3]

Regardless of where grandparents and new grandchildren are, I may be hard but my views is suck it up princess. A few months is not the be all or end all. And yes, I am sure everyone wants to meet the new grandies and there are some cases where there are reasons but there are far worse things.

Yes. Why have people become so soft/needy? Our forefathers would be horrified at what we have become.

 

[levelnine]

Why have people become so soft/needy?

Too right, DC3. Back in my day we had to walk 100 miles uphill both ways in the snow to school. Our forefathers never complained about anything. That's right, people tend to forget that the complaint was invented on Facebook in March 2020. Before that, people never expressed a negative opinion about anything.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Too right, DC3. Back in my day we had to walk 100 miles uphill both ways in the snow to school. Our forefathers never complained about anything. That's right, people tend to forget that the complaint was invented on Facebook in March 2020. Before that, people never expressed a negative opinion about anything.

It's not quite true that it arrived in 2020 on Facebook.

 

[OATEK]

Yes. Why have people become so soft/needy? Our forefathers would be horrified at what we have become.

When I think of my great grandmother who had all four sons fighting on the Western Front in 19i7-1918, then yes the modern generation may be soft. Of course we would never want them to go through the horrors of war just to toughen them up.

 

[RAM]

Well this is an angle that has not occured to me.

Q & VAII flying internationally carrying lots of glass passengers.

I wonder what the ratio for cargo on a passenger B747-400 is vs a B747-400 conversion?

Are Airlines Ready to Transport Vaccines?

The answer is "maybe." The International Air Transport Association (IATA) says the airline industry could be ready to air ship billions of doses of

airlineweekly.com

I really hope that Western Govts have already (quietly so that's why we don't know about it) started to ensure that the production capacity for the glass single use injection vials is ramped up NOW and not after its needed. I recall one of the reasons that the Flu vaccine took so long to ramp up apart from enough eggs etc - was the increased need for the glass single use injection vials.