Qantas Fleet

[markis10]

Could he simply be the person in the office who flies the most? LOL.

I know of transport writers who know nothing about transport but their words are accepted as fact.

He has a long history in writing Aviation articles and founded airlineratings.com, worked for MMA in 72, also author of 7 or so Aviation books.

Geoffrey Thomas | LinkedIn

 

[ajw373]

Could he simply be the person in the office who flies the most? LOL.

I know of transport writers who know nothing about transport but their words are accepted as fact.

Nope, he is very much an aviation editor, also writes for Australian Aviation magazine, so should really know the score.

Now having read the article, what is says is grounding of the 767 fleet, which to me is another word for accelerated retirement, and the other bit was amalgamation of some Jetstar and Qantas flights. The latter is what many predicted when Jetstar first started actually.

 

[Isochronous]

Nope, he is very much an aviation editor, also writes for Australian Aviation magazine, so should really know the score.

Now having read the article, what is says is grounding of the 767 fleet, which to me is another word for accelerated retirement, and the other bit was amalgamation of some Jetstar and Qantas flights. The latter is what many predicted when Jetstar first started actually.

More Jetsarisation? Yuck.

Don't they realise that the Jetstar brand is associated with cheap and nasty? Discerning travellers won't even consider them, but they remain open to Qantas.

 

[ajw373]

More Jetsarisation? Yuck.

Don't they realise that the Jetstar brand is associated with cheap and nasty? Discerning travellers won't even consider them, but they remain open to Qantas.

Maybe the plan is to paint some of the a/c white, put a red tail on them, offer some food and drink and viola you have Qantas (and Virgin Aus) domestic.

 

[CaviAck]

Their retirement was annouced a long time ago. Now not having seen the newspaper article maybe what they are saying is retirement schedule will be accelerated. (and as others have pointed out there aren't 15 anyway)

AFAIK there are 15 763s in operation.... Did I miss a retirement or two?
OGH to OGP and OGR to OGU.

I have heard a rumour that has came from one of the planning departments is that they are going to retire the 767 once they have the 717 operation between Sydney, Canberra, Brisbane, Melbourne, Hobart up and running because supposedly the 717 will free up some 738's which will then be used to replace the 767's that operate between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Cairns and Darwin. The rest of the 767's will be replaced by the a330's coming back from jetstar.[/QUOTE

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That might explain why some of the midday CNS-SYD flights later this year have all switched to 73Hs... NNNNOOOOOOO!

 

[erkpod]

He has a long history in writing Aviation articles and founded airlineratings.com, worked for MMA in 72, also author of 7 or so Aviation books.

Geoffrey Thomas | LinkedIn

I humbly stand corrected.

 

[ajw373]

AFAIK there are 15 763s in operation.... Did I miss a retirement or two?
OGH to OGP and OGR to OGU.

I think you may have, OGP for example is gone. Depending upon what list you use there are 14 or 15, but both include the freighter VH-EFR, but we are talking passenger a/c here are we not so the answer is 13 or 14, less any that may not have made it onto various fleet lists.

I have heard a rumour that has came from one of the planning departments is that they are going to retire the 767 once they have the 717 operation between Sydney, Canberra, Brisbane, Melbourne, Hobart up and running because supposedly the 717 will free up some 738's which will then be used to replace the 767's that operate between Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Cairns and Darwin. The rest of the 767's will be replaced by the a330's coming back from jetstar.[/QUOTE

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That might explain why some of the midday CNS-SYD flights later this year have all switched to 73Hs... NNNNOOOOOOO!

Not sure where that info came from. Essentially the 717's replaced the 734's 1 for 1 so doesn't free up any 738's. A few have been added though, so there are a couple. But reading other threads the departure of the 767 will result in a capacity reduction and transfer of some more flights to Jetstar.

 

[CaviAck]

I think you may have, OGP for example is gone. Depending upon what list you use there are 14 or 15, but both include the freighter VH-EFR, but we are talking passenger a/c here are we not so the answer is 13 or 14, less any that may not have made it onto various fleet lists.

Ah, I see, time to track down those planes again and update my list.

 

[Flyerqf]

With Qantas retiming QF9/10 this frees up an A380. Once HKG goes back to 5 weekly A380 (2 weekly B744), there will be two 388 aircraft available. Surely these will go to DFW.


A380 fleet - 12 frames
QF1/2 - 3 frames
QF9/10 - 2 frames
QF93/94 - 2 frames
QF11/12 - 2 frames
QF7/8 - 2 frames
QF127/128 - 1 frame
Line maintenance can be done on days QF127/128 is operated by 744 and during ground time at LAX and LHR.


B744 fleet - currently 15 frames (9 refurbed, 6 non-refurb)
QF107/108 - 2 frames (refurbed)
QF27/28 - 1 frame (refurbed)
QF15/16 - 2 frames (refurbed)
QF63/64 - 1.5 frames (refurbed)
QF21/22 - 1.5 frames (refurbed)
QF127/128 - 0.5 frames (4 class non-refurb)
1 spare refurbed and 1 spare 4 class non-refurb


3 class non refurb OJA, OJC, OJI and 4 class non-refurb OJL all could be retired. (OJC is being retired this month anyway)

 

[markis10]

With Qantas retiming QF9/10 this frees up an A380. Once HKG goes back to 5 weekly A380 (2 weekly B744), there will be two 388 aircraft available. Surely these will go to DFW.


A380 fleet - 12 frames
QF1/2 - 3 frames
QF9/10 - 2 frames
QF93/94 - 2 frames
QF11/12 - 2 frames
QF7/8 - 2 frames
QF127/128 - 1 frame
Line maintenance can be done on days QF127/128 is operated by 744 and during ground time at LAX and LHR.


B744 fleet - currently 15 frames (9 refurbed, 6 non-refurb)
QF107/108 - 2 frames (refurbed)
QF27/28 - 1 frame (refurbed)
QF15/16 - 2 frames (refurbed)
QF63/64 - 1.5 frames (refurbed)
QF21/22 - 1.5 frames (refurbed)
QF127/128 - 0.5 frames (4 class non-refurb)
1 spare refurbed and 1 spare 4 class non-refurb


3 class non refurb OJA, OJC, OJI and 4 class non-refurb OJL all could be retired. (OJC is being retired this month anyway)

Your being way over optimistic with your aircraft use, the USA segments need three birds on each and not taking into account major services. Even with that luxury you can get major disruptions when things go pear shaped.

 

[Flyerqf]

Your being way over optimistic with your aircraft use, the USA segments need three birds on each and not taking into account major services. Even with that luxury you can get major disruptions when things go pear shaped.

Qantas currently operates it's 747 refurbed fleet with only 1 spare. The A380 fleet is currently 1 spare, although it operated with 0.5 spare when OQA was out of action for an extended period.

Maybe keep OJL, but OJA/OJC/OJI should all go.

 

[moa999]

What's the view on 738 replacements now that the 734s are gone.
The first 15 737s arrived in 2002 when AA dropped their order after 9/11 so are now 12 years old.

AFAIK Mainline know has no 738s left on order.
I have a suspicion that if JQ continues to have expansion issues in Asia we may well see some of the 'rejigged' order make it across to QF.

 

[markis10]

Qantas currently operates it's 747 refurbed fleet with only 1 spare. The A380 fleet is currently 1 spare, although it operated with 0.5 spare when OQA was out of action for an extended period.

Maybe keep OJL, but OJA/OJC/OJI should all go.

Qantas does not operate its 747 refurb fleet as one spare, they have 3 spare for the route that needs it, the rest are pooled with the 747 fleet, which is why you will see a non refurb on BNE LAX and SYD LAX frequently.

 

[Flyerqf]

Qantas does not operate its 747 refurb fleet as one spare, they have 3 spare for the route that needs it, the rest are pooled with the 747 fleet, which is why you will see a non refurb on BNE LAX and SYD LAX frequently.

True. They have 3 spares at the moment and the non refurb ones do show up on refurb routes when refurbs are in heavy maintenance (like OEF at the moment).

If they have 3 spares out of a fleet of 15 at the moment, 2-3 spares be enough for a fleet of 11-12 wouldn't it?

 

[Foreigner]

QF 925 B767 on Sunday, 02 March CNS to SYD had iPads for all pax.

 

[Himeno]

Your being way over optimistic with your aircraft use, the USA segments need three birds on each and not taking into account major services.

No, they don't. The US sectors only require 2 aircraft, not 3.

QF11 0400 1735
QF12 0620 2120
QF93 0020 1440
QF94 0730 2320
(times converted to UTC)
If they did simple turns instead of sitting at LAX for 16 hours, they'd need 1.4 aircraft per route.

The LHR flights require 3 aircraft.

 

[ReLoad]

Question for those in the know, I was recently on QF107 which was subbed on the day for a non refurbed 747. I was lucky enough to grab an old F seat, but it made me wonder; if I was expecting the flat bed and ended up on the slopes of wedgie bed, I'd be a bit miffed. Does QF compensate pax? Is there any precedence?

 

[mannej]

Question for those in the know, I was recently on QF107 which was subbed on the day for a non refurbed 747. I was lucky enough to grab an old F seat, but it made me wonder; if I was expecting the flat bed and ended up on the slopes of wedgie bed, I'd be a bit miffed. Does QF compensate pax? Is there any precedence?

I'd expect no compensation would be due here as you are still getting a bed as advertised.

 

[ajw373]

I'd expect no compensation would be due here as you are still getting a bed as advertised.

And even if you ended up in a sit-up seat it would be the same. The ticket does not guarantee product. In fact I had this very scenario on my last Thai Airways flight. 744 swapped out at last minute for a 744 with sit-up business class seats. At the time they generally flew this type to Scandinavia, with first sold as business and business sit-up as a premium economy seat, but as mentioned got subbed out. The crew were of course very apologetic but certainly no compensation of any sort.

 

[lovestotravel]

Question for those in the know, I was recently on QF107 which was subbed on the day for a non refurbed 747. I was lucky enough to grab an old F seat, but it made me wonder; if I was expecting the flat bed and ended up on the slopes of wedgie bed, I'd be a bit miffed. Does QF compensate pax? Is there any precedence?

Send an email off and see what happens

1. You are P1 so that may help
2. QF has cut back on the compensation lately, as have most companies

See what happens!