Qantas Fleet

[ftm]

What about the old QF Japan FA base that they weren't allowed to close due to Japanese labour laws? Did they all retire allowing the base to shut down, or did they transfer over to JQ?

The Japan base is still there. Only has a handful of crew remaining though. Maybe one on every NRT flight.

 

[otchi]

No, there was definitely a period where some QAL FAs (mostly from short haul) were operating on the A380.

Found this on another forum that explains it quite well. It is from 2008 though so it's most likely a little out of date. Explains why QAL were on the A380 though.

"A380 crew are made up of the following employees:
Pilots are direct employees of Qantas (QAL)
Cabin Crew are a mix of direct employees of Qantas (QAL) or employees of Qantas Cabin Crew Australia (QCCA) which is owned by Qantas. Think of it as an Auckland base , but just based in Australia. Majority of the cabin crew working on the A380 are QCCA crew.


Currently crew request to go over to work on the A380. QAL crew can go over for two years and then return back to "normal" flying. However since they must go over under QCCA conditions for the two years with the exception of pay, most QAL have decided not to fly on the A380. QCCA crew that go over stay permanently however the company will eventually have all QCCA crew on the A380."

 

[SeatBackForward]

Qantas Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental Concept. Unfortunately Qantas will not be buying any of the 747-8 Intercontinental aircraft because they have the Airbus A380-800's. Qantas will be retiring all of the Boeing 747-400 in 2016 and the 747-400ER in 2018. #Qantas * #boeing7478i * #airbusa380 *Please follow +Boeing*

https://plus.google.com/118013099468118086137/posts/Vh5bkBbUn5L

 

[maninblack]

I still don't understand what aircraft they will be flying in 2019 given many of the A330's will be around 15 years old by then. Still no actual 789 orders.

 

[Mattg]

I still don't understand what aircraft they will be flying in 2019 given many of the A330's will be around 15 years old by then. Still no actual 789 orders.

I'm not convinced QF management know the answer to this either.

 

[straitman]

I still don't understand what aircraft they will be flying in 2019 given many of the A330's will be around 15 years old by then. Still no actual 789 orders.

Will they be flying anything by 2019 :?:

 

[TomVexille]

I'm not convinced QF management know the answer to this either.

Agreed, QF management seem to be in a negative spiral instead of investing in improvement.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Will they be flying anything by 2019 :?:

They'll have a floating Frequent Flyer Program, a soaring marketing department, debt to the sky, and executives walking on clouds. Plenty of things up in the air.

 

[SeatBackForward]

*The latest #boeing787dreamliner for #Jetstar has been delivered to Cairns. The Flightaware website shows 787-8 VH-VKH, operating as JQ7878, departing Boeing’s Paine Field, Everett facility on Thursday evening (August 14), arriving into Cairns at 5:48am on Saturday.
VKH is Jetstar’s sixth 787 delivery and its first to be built at Boeing’s Charleston, South Carolina facility.
Jetstar’s seventh 787, VH-VKG, made its first flight from Paine Field (where it was built) on August 8. All 12 787s on order for Jetstar are expected to be in service by the end of 2015 Please Follow* +Boeing

https://plus.google.com/118013099468118086137/posts/6Ty2aA7d3G5

 

[Mr_Orange]

https://plus.google.com/118013099468118086137/posts/Vh5bkBbUn5L

I wish. That would be awesome .

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Will they be flying anything by 2019 :?:

They'll have some second hand 788's to fly ex-JQ when they get the next generation jets of course!

 

[RickyT84]

I still don't understand what aircraft they will be flying in 2019 given many of the A330's will be around 15 years old by then. Still no actual 789 orders.

I would imagine they would stay in the fleet for a while as the entire fleet would have been fitted with the new J suite. QF would hang on to them until they reach the end of their economic life, much like the 763s.

 

[dougieboy]

What about leasing older 777-200/300 would that cut back on the operating costs when compared to the current 747 product. If buying/leasing new is not feasible why hasn't this notion been entertained? Otherwise the future may not be too far off from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BGo02PP6ZQ

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I would imagine they would stay in the fleet for a while as the entire fleet would have been fitted with the new J suite. QF would hang on to them until they reach the end of their economic life, much like the 763s.

Based on past performance, half the fleet will be fitted with the new product, then the rest abandoned for financial reasons, then they'll design a new product, and promise to start delivering it from 2025.

 

[ajw373]

What about leasing older 777-200/300 would that cut back on the operating costs when compared to the current 747 product. If buying/leasing new is not feasible why hasn't this notion been entertained? Otherwise the future may not be too far off from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BGo02PP6ZQ

What would Qantas do with old 777's? The only model that would be if any use is the 777-300ER. The other models either don't have the range to replace 747's or would be of similar mission capability to the A330 fleet, in which case more of them would be the better solution.

 

[OATEK]

What would Qantas do with old 777's? The only model that would be if any use is the 777-300ER. The other models either don't have the range to replace 747's or would be of similar mission capability to the A330 fleet, in which case more of them would be the better solution.

I think the time for QF to acquire 777s has passed. Many may argue that rejecting them a decade or more ago was wrong, but that was then. Right now QF seem to be faced with either continuing with their orders for the A380 to replace 747s, or they do a complete rethink and evaluate 787s and A350s. But I agree with ajw373, there is little point swapping 330s with 777s. In my view its time for QF to raise their sights and plan for the longer term with the new gen aircraft.

 

[straitman]

In my view its time for QF to raise their sights and plan for the longer term with the new gen aircraft.

There is a new generation B777 being released.

 

[OATEK]

There is a new generation B777 being released.

Fair enough, include it in the mix. But talking about grabbing a few existing 777/200 and 300 aircraft I feel is not what is needed.

 

[smit0847]

What about leasing older 777-200/300 would that cut back on the operating costs when compared to the current 747 product. If buying/leasing new is not feasible why hasn't this notion been entertained? Otherwise the future may not be too far off from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BGo02PP6ZQ

Although they would have lower operating costs than the 747 they would have leasing costs. I assume the 747s are fully owned by QF (so no leasing or loan payments for these aircraft?). Im guessing the fuel saving from the lower operating costs of the 777 is less than the leasing costs to use aircraft they dont own?

 

[markis10]

Although they would have lower operating costs than the 747 they would have leasing costs. I assume the 747s are fully owned by QF (so no leasing or loan payments for these aircraft?). Im guessing the fuel saving from the lower operating costs of the 777 is less than the leasing costs to use aircraft they dont own?

A new 77W is $1.2-$1.6M per month on a lease, thats chickenfeed compared to opex. Looking at QF8, running a 77W versus a 744 sees the advantage to the 777 to the tune of 100-250K per flight before capital costs depending on load. Thats back of envelope stuff and far too simplistic but it does reinforce why customers keep adding additional orders to their 777 backlog like NZ whos profit results are not shabby.