QANTAS forges Emirate tie

[whatmeworry]

Because they have no partner to feed into. No point flying to a destination like that if you cannot off load your pax to someone else, and from a pax perspective your better off with the one carrier. Clearly partnerships and code shares change that due to the seamless nature.

They have One World Partners that fly there.

 

[Standby]

They have One World Partners that fly there.

Partners perhaps..BA IB &RJ(i couldnt be bothered for others)but nowhere near the number of connections EK can provide without the horror that is Heathrow.
Dont forget QF did have a codeshare with EY for a while to limited beyond markets from Abu D....before DJ stepped in

 

[browski]

Makes you wonder why QF have not used DXB earlier?

I think the commonly used term is called "Spite".

 

[Simo]

Financial market liked the news today with some good results for the sharemarket

 

[kamchatsky]

Financial market liked the news today with some good results for the sharemarket

Well QF finally learnt, "If you cannot beat them, Join them!"

 

[ajw373]

They have One World Partners that fly there.

Oh, so Dubai has say 4-5 OneWorld partners flying to 4-5 places. That's not going to make much of a dent on an A380/747/777 load of passengers. Compared to the 'home' airline that has 120+ destinations.

 

[ajw373]

I think the commonly used term is called "Spite".

Think it's called common sense. Dubai is NOT a destination and they have not had a partner to feed into, so clearly it makes no sense to fly there.

 

[amaroo]

Think it's called common sense. Dubai is NOT a destination and they have not had a partner to feed into, so clearly it makes no sense to fly there.

Have to agree!

 

[mikejr]

Think it's called common sense. Dubai is NOT a destination and they have not had a partner to feed into, so clearly it makes no sense to fly there.

Absolutely - a lot of interest around this and it could open up some new possibilities for QF

 

[Pleb Status]

When QF's share price dropped below $1.00 the last time (a few months ago), unconfirmed rumours "surfaced" that QF was a possible takeover target. The share price then went up.

QF's share price dropped below $1.00 again yesterday and magically rumours of a tie up with EK "surfaced". The share price then went up.

It was only a week or two ago that the rumours were QF were going to tie up with QR and QR was going to join Oneworld. Now suddenly QF are going to tie up with QR's direct opposition? Someone is certainly wrong with their rumours!

I will believe this EK tie up when I see it. A tie up with QR is far more realistic. A tie up with EK will be the death of all QF European flying and a reduction of flights to Asia. Even if QF1/2/9/10 were all rerouted via DXB, that would be two QF flights daily to Europe versus more than ten flights daily on EK. With EK serving all major capitals direct once ADL comes on line, I cannot see any major increase in domestic travel for QF from the tie up (the vast majority will fly directly to where they are going, only a small number will fly to other ports and QF would already have most of this business anyway).

 

[whatmeworry]

I think the commonly used term is called "Spite".

If they do go to DXB, I guess that gives QF bargaining power with SIN (That is if there is any more flights to SIN).

 

[whatmeworry]

Think it's called common sense. Dubai is NOT a destination and they have not had a partner to feed into, so clearly it makes no sense to fly there.

Many people fly from OZ to the Middle East and Africa. Most of us on this on forum are too euro centric. Just have a look at Australia's changing demographics and most analyst's will say this should be a positive move by QFi to be able to capture some of that market.

Also by going to DXB, any fuel/carbon taxes to Europe will be less, rather then routing via SIN/BKK/HKG.

 

[ajw373]

Many people fly from OZ to the Middle East and Africa. Most of us on this on forum are too euro centric. Just have a look at Australia's changing demographics and most analyst's will say this should be a positive move by QFi to be able to capture some of that market.

Also by going to DXB, any fuel/carbon taxes to Europe will be less, rather then routing via SIN/BKK/HKG.

Don't disagree that many fly to the Middle East and Africa and also think Qantas getting into bed with a middle east airline is a positive thing. However the point I have been making is to date flying to Dubai would not have made sense for Qantas. Dubai is just one city in that area, so unless you have a network to tap into it makes no sense to fly to Dubai as a single destination. So clearly a tie up with Emirates, Qatar etc then makes it viable.

 

[smit0847]

When QF's share price dropped below $1.00 the last time (a few months ago), unconfirmed rumours "surfaced" that QF was a possible takeover target. The share price then went up.

QF's share price dropped below $1.00 again yesterday and magically rumours of a tie up with EK "surfaced". The share price then went up.

It was only a week or two ago that the rumours were QF were going to tie up with QR and QR was going to join Oneworld. Now suddenly QF are going to tie up with QR's direct opposition? Someone is certainly wrong with their rumours!

I will believe this EK tie up when I see it. A tie up with QR is far more realistic. A tie up with EK will be the death of all QF European flying and a reduction of flights to Asia. Even if QF1/2/9/10 were all rerouted via DXB, that would be two QF flights daily to Europe versus more than ten flights daily on EK. With EK serving all major capitals direct once ADL comes on line, I cannot see any major increase in domestic travel for QF from the tie up (the vast majority will fly directly to where they are going, only a small number will fly to other ports and QF would already have most of this business anyway).

Apart from limited regional feed from QF and QFLink and posibly some more landing slots in OZ for EK (surely they have't had too much trouble getting the 70 per week they already have), no one has explained what benefit there will be to EK in all this. It's not like 2 struggling carriers have come together to try and save themselves - EK is one of the worlds leading airlines in every way it can be measured while QFi teeters on the brink.

 

[amaroo]

Apart from limited regional feed from QF and QFLink and posibly some more landing slots in OZ for EK (surely they have't had too much trouble getting the 70 per week they already have), no one has explained what benefit there will be to EK in all this. It's not like 2 struggling carriers have come together to try and save themselves - EK is one of the worlds leading airlines in every way it can be measured while QFi teeters on the brink.

If it does get up and they merge lounges, etc......they would want to budget for quadrupling the SYD Flounge - it's busting at the seams as it is!

 

[YQY]

There is speculation that MH are still keen to have a joint venture with QF/BA --> MALAYSIA PRESS-Malaysian Airline may revisit JV plan with Qantas-The Edge | Reuters

Note - the report also states that MH will not be a full member of 1W till Q1 2013.

 

[Danger]

Qantas-Emirates deal could end BA alliance

 

[amaroo]

Qantas-Emirates deal could end BA alliance

Wonder how useful paid QP membership will be in old Blighty, if this deal ever get legs!

 

[SeatBackForward]

Wonder how useful paid QP membership will be in old Blighty, if this deal ever get legs!

Isn't the answer "Only slightly more useless" ?

 

[Pleb Status]

Apart from limited regional feed from QF and QFLink and posibly some more landing slots in OZ for EK (surely they have't had too much trouble getting the 70 per week they already have), no one has explained what benefit there will be to EK in all this. It's not like 2 struggling carriers have come together to try and save themselves - EK is one of the worlds leading airlines in every way it can be measured while QFi teeters on the brink.

The benefits to EK would be the removal of a competitor (as QF would effectively stop flying to Europe or anywhere west of BKK), the direct access to QF's frequent flyers and customer base and a competive advantage against the likes of QR, SQ etc as they could offer "seemless" transfers onto QF's domestic flights. QF would also promote the use of EK, giving them more marketing outlets and exposure etc.

If QF is reasonable about their take from any code share argreement, I can not see any negatives for EK in this arrangement.