QANTAS forges Emirate tie

[swilk]

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Maybe not the best place for a social as Alcohol policy is pretty strict in UAE.

Having flown 4 J sectors on the EK A380 I say bring it on. Also, no problem with ethanol on board or in the Dubai lounge. The EK A380 circular bar upstairs is great with large plasma TV and a real espresso machine.

 

[anat0l]

Having a quick sticky-beak on FT reveals that some EK flyers are not too happy about doing any sort of deal with Qantas. (In a similar fashion that they believe alliances are for chumps).

The main argument is, of course, why would an airline like EK want to do business with a third-rate like QF? More seriously, it resonates with some on the board here that there's not much in it for EK. Even from the discussions on a linked article from the boards, EK may only benefit for some connections in the domestic network; the likelihood of QF actually getting a good part of the action might be seriously limited.

 

[simongr]

Just had a thought that might add more credence to this - with the entry of Malaysian into OW this might "free up" QF to feed more into Asia via code shares and thus losing SIN might not be such a drama.

 

[Ansett]

Lets Hope Emirates and QF can work things out as their are lots of cheap flights UK to OZ in First on Emirates. Hopefully they will begin to fly A380 into Melbourne very soon

 

[oz_mark]

Meanwhile, somewhere to our north, the following article appeared

Qantas should not jilt Changi for Dubai - The China Post

SINGAPORE -- Loss-making Qantas got a much-needed publicity and share price boost when it made headlines on Thursday over a potential tie-up with Dubai-based Emirates.

A partnership could create an airline powerhouse, capable of making a big dent in the earnings of Singapore Airlines and other rivals. Worse, it could hit Changi Airport if Qantas shifts its hub for the long-haul “kangaroo route” — Australia to Britain flights — from Singapore to Dubai.

Emirates has chosen to stay silent, while Qantas maintains that it is talking with several airlines, including the Dubai carrier, about potential alliances.

A tie-up could take several forms. One is a codeshare deal, where a passenger with a Qantas ticket flies on an Emirates-operated aircraft, and vice-versa. There is also the possibility of Qantas flying to Europe via Dubai, bypassing Singapore. But whatever the final agreement, it actually does not make sense for Qantas to jilt Changi for Dubai.

 

[Flashback]

Lets Hope Emirates and QF can work things out as their are lots of cheap flights UK to OZ in First on Emirates. Hopefully they will begin to fly A380 into Melbourne very soon

The prices would soon rise to QF's happier level if it was to happen, I would think. Out and out losers for all consumers.

 

[anat0l]

The prices would soon rise to QF's happier level if it was to happen, I would think. Out and out losers for all consumers.

Depends - I'd imagine that if it's QF codeshares on EK metal, QF don't have to operate the flight, so instead of exacting out the revenue to pay for their flying QF aircraft and still getting profit, all they do is worry about fulfilling what EK charge them for the seat and then what they can get on top of that from QF customers to their pocket.

EK might only raise the price if the competition is a silly amount higher than them. Yes, that'll annoy quite a few customers, though in saying that depending on the competition, they might just resign and go with EK if they are still amongst the cheapest (for the product they are offering).

The other scenario could be that QF will still charge their higher prices for EK operated codeshare flights whilst EK will still charge their regular lower fare. So the resolution is to go to the EK website and book the flight there and save some money. The downside is that you may earn QF points for that but since it is an EK marketed flight you won't get any SCs. Bit of deja vu?

 

[amaroo]

Depends - I'd imagine that if it's QF codeshares on EK metal, QF don't have to operate the flight, so instead of exacting out the revenue to pay for their flying QF aircraft and still getting profit, all they do is worry about fulfilling what EK charge them for the seat and then what they can get on top of that from QF customers to their pocket.

EK might only raise the price if the competition is a silly amount higher than them. Yes, that'll annoy quite a few customers, though in saying that depending on the competition, they might just resign and go with EK if they are still amongst the cheapest (for the product they are offering).

The other scenario could be that QF will still charge their higher prices for EK operated codeshare flights whilst EK will still charge their regular lower fare. So the resolution is to go to the EK website and book the flight there and save some money. The downside is that you may earn QF points for that but since it is an EK marketed flight you won't get any SCs. Bit of deja vu?

I read a quote in the weekend AFR - QF fly passengers to Europe for a loss or sell tickets on EK for a small (positive) margin!

 

[Danger]

QF partnership with EK is close - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com

 

[smit0847]

QF partnership with EK is close - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com

So many factual errors in this article....

 

[MarcB]

Here's some of EK's take on things via Bloomberg...

Emirates Says Qantas Codeshare Deal Likely in 6 Months - Bloomberg

Interesting quote:

“The objective is to eventually see Qantas fly through Dubai.”

 

[simongr]

Currently Qantas only offers one-stop trips to five European cities, via Singapore or Hong Kong.

So apart from LHR and FRA what are the other three cities that QF fly to?

 

[anat0l]

So apart from LHR and FRA what are the other three cities that QF fly to?

Kind of farcical, isn't it?

I'd imagine they are referring to FCO via CX codeshare from HKG, CDG via AF codeshare from SIN (I think), and HEL via AY codeshare from SIN.

Cue "yeah, right" sighs....



Also, what is meant by a "revenue sharing accord", and what impacts does one (or the lack of one) have?

 

[Danger]

Kind of farcical, isn't it?

I'd imagine they are referring to FCO via CX codeshare from HKG, CDG via AF codeshare from SIN (I think), and HEL via AY codeshare from SIN.

Cue "yeah, right" sighs....

It's kind of like an airline saying 'We fly to over 800* destinations around the world".

* Including with our 42 codeshare partner airlines.

 

[markis10]

The Australian is saying 6 months:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...hs-says-emirates/story-e6frg95x-1226441265928

EMIRATES is hopeful that it can strike a codeshare deal with Qantas within six months but said that it was not looking at a revenue-sharing alliance.

Emirates chairman Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed al-Maktoum said that the Dubai-based powerhouse had been engaging with Qantas for some time, Bloomberg reported.
“The objective is to eventually see Qantas fly through Dubai,” he said, adding that the two were not discussing a revenue-sharing accord.
Emirates president Tim Clark confirmed in June that his airline had feelers out about a codeshare alliance with Qantas and the Australian carrier’s share price took off last week amid speculation that a deal was close. The reports said that Qantas was looking at closing its Frankfurt hub and shifting flights from Singapore to Dubai.

 

[simongr]

Darn - was hoping for something sooner syd-dxb-lca should be a cheaper award than syd-lhr-lca...

 

[anat0l]

Darn - was hoping for something sooner syd-dxb-lca should be a cheaper award than syd-lhr-lca...

It's shorter by 1 zone (just!), so yep. Saying that, I'm still doubting how significant this codeshare agreement will be on award possibilities, especially on EK operated flights. (Let's not even think about ASAs for a moment).

 

[JohnPhelan]

Also, what is meant by a "revenue sharing accord", and what impacts does one (or the lack of one) have?

They would be talking about the sort of Joint Venture Agreement that QF has with BA on the kangaroo route, where they share the income from certain routes, irrespective of which of the two airlines pax actually fly on.

 

[simongr]

It's shorter by 1 zone (just!), so yep.

Across three people in J say 16K points per person each way - almost 100K points saving... Or an upgrade J to F for me after having booked the award

 

[JohnK]

More speculation.

Personally I want things to stay as they are. If I want to go to Europe it will not be via the Middle East.

Further speculation as to which Oneworld choices to Europe will remain via Asia assuming that QFi still flies there and is not replaced by JQi.