Qantas: 'one of the worst airlines in the free world'

[p--and--t]

I reckon EVERYONE agrees the dated QF J product on the A380 (being replaced with suites from later this year thank goodness) is poor.. specially when they droop badly.

I'm really starting to dislike the use of phrases by some posters like "fanbois" or "QF cultists" and the like as it's a form of bullying in my view.

Totally agree. Also a few too many DYKWIA type posters with unrestrained exaggeration & hyperbole.

 

[Pushka]

And while we're at it, was there an actual poll which substantiates your claim to be a Cruiser Elite or even an Elite?

Nah, big difference there. I’m a cruiser and I’d like to think I’m elite and don’t need a poll to ascertain that. But the name was snaffled.

But you have provided some evidence to make your claim on flyertalk.

 

[AIRwin]

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Was there an actual poll which substantiates this claim? Hope so - nobody would really post that about themselves without supporting evidence would they?

Congrats on the 10,000th post!

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Congrats on the 10,000th post!

Oh shoot - tks mate - I had no idea - if I had I would have used it in the MEL 380 Pageant thread - now there is a thread of substance!

 

[p--and--t]

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Was there an actual poll which substantiates this claim? Hope so - nobody would really post that about themselves without supporting evidence would they?

Yes, and I'm pretty sure the dictionary definitions of "most prolific" and "most visited" and "most popular" are distinctly different.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Touchy touchy - I never frequent FT sorry my friend - it was a serious question - but Yanks never do get the Australian sense of humour do they?

Nope the Cruiser Elite term again is sarcasm - there is no lower member here than moi - and I wear that badge proudly. Come along to OT morrow night digger and witness first hand mongrels running amok. No emoji required here - I am deadly serious.

Flyertalk people tend to be more aggressive. I started there, but quickly turned tail and retreated to this more touchy-feely community

 

[JohnK]

You missed the point of the comment. If you have WP status on airline A and no status on airline B, your personal experience will lead you to form the view that A is better than B even though, objectively and generally, B is better than A. And that is certainly the case for QF, where so many AFFers are LTG or locked in to chasing LTG.

I don't see that as an issue. It's irrelevant if every airline is better than Qantas but without status I sit down the back on every flight, no lounge access, standard luggage allowance etc. There's nothing good about that experience and in my opinion those airlines are not better than Qantas.

 

[RichardMEL]

I would reckon that when discussing flying premium classes, specially F, that status is more or less irrelevant to the experience. Now sure, if I have, for example, ONE status and flying a OW carriers J product, then I can access F lounges (where available) eg: QF, CX in HKG etc... that will enhance the experience to a degree. However if I'm flying F, I get that anyway. Further if I have no status flying SQ J, I get pretty much the same entitlements that a SQ*G would have, and better than a non SQ *G would have (specially in SN).

with the example of flying F LAX-MEL and then internal flights in J as SFO777 did in the *original* report, status is irrelevant to the argument in my view - I can't think of a single instance where he would have received more or a different experience with or without his BA Gold (OWE) status. Happy to be corrected here, but I don't think so. Domestic lounge access based on CoS and in LAX F lounge, again, through CoS - all the same.

With the newest report, yes the status would mean that he would have had access to the international F lounge via status, which is an absolute step up from the J lounge, but other than that, and possibly a slightly better seat selection availability on the 380 (ie "Emerald City") more or less the experience, from that point of view, would be the same without status (I'm ignoring things like extra bag allowance as most people would fit in just fine with the J allowance irrespective of any elite extras).

I certainly have been thinking of this recently in terms of an upcoming trip where I do nt need status credits or anything from the timing of the trip, so I'm freed up more or less to consider other things such as product, schedule, price etc and I'm looking at SQ J or MH J or possibly QR J and while I have OWE and *G status, those won't gve me much extra bar lounges (and *G gives me less when it comes to flying SQ J anyway) so I do contend that status is far less relevant when discussing the premium product.

 

[Flying mermaid]

I reckon EVERYONE agrees the dated

I'm really starting to dislike the use of phrases by some posters like "fanbois" or "QF cultists" and the like as it's a form of bullying in my view.)

oh not the B word - used too much these day. I actually find the term “breeders”, which is used constantly on this board, derogatory, insulting (and probably bullying), but you just have to smile and suck it up. Too much PC stuff creeping in really.

 

[RichardMEL]

oh not the B word - used too much these day. I actually find the term “breeders”, which is used constantly on this board, derogatory, insulting (and probably bullying), but you just have to smile and suck it up. Too much PC stuff creeping in really.

yes, I get your point, and I am not a fan generally of the PC brigade myself... I just find that a small number of posters (not specifically this thread, over a few recently) want to label those who do not agree with their view, whatever it may be, as something like fanbois, cultists, haters, whatever... seems overly simplistic and really getting overly personal. By all means argue the point about product, service, or whatever, but surely we can do hat without resorting to name calling and pigeon-holing?

I still chuckle at the time I was accused of being a member of the QF PR team though. that was quite inventive

 

[serfty]

There's nothing good about that experience and in my opinion those airlines are not better than Qantas.

I dont know what airlines you fly out of Oz but im about to undertake a trip to the USA.

My Qantas status got me second row of economy (front row if I'd booked earlier) and the food will be much better than what you get with the FA's tossing a single box on a plastic tray and a bread roll at you.

 

[JohnK]

I dont know what airlines you fly out of Oz but im about to undertake a trip to the USA.

My Qantas status got me second row of economy (front row if I'd booked earlier) and the food will be much better than what you get with the FA's tossing a single box on a plastic tray and a bread roll at you.

You're not flying Qantas?

I can only guess that reference to better airlines to Asia would be CX or SQ. I wouldn't rate those airlines better than Qantas and certainly none of the other airlines anywhere near Qantas.

FWIW I've had some really good meals on Qantas in recent times. And with a wife and daughter I usually get to sample all 3 meals.

And with Lifetime Gold there's no reason to try any other airline if price point is the same.

 

[love_the_life]

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I still chuckle at the time I was accused of being a member of the QF PR team though. that was quite inventive

I remember that!

 

[serfty]

I can only guess that reference to better airlines to Asia would be CX

Ahh, yes, Cathay Pacific, the airline where oneworld Ruby Sapphire/Emerald flying economy can select an available exit row or bulkhead seat on booking at no charge.

 

[TonyHancock]

I'm really starting to dislike the use of phrases by some posters like "fanbois" or "QF cultists" ....

I dislike the terms too, I see this type of blind love as a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[JohnK]

Ahh, yes, Cathay Pacific, the airline where oneworld Ruby Sapphire/Emerald flying economy can select an available exit row or bulkhead seat on booking at no charge.

Cathay is not usually cheaper than Qantas, not to BKK anyway, and the cheaper airfares don't earn.

 

[serfty]

Ahhh ... so in the @JohnK world, Asia = BKK

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't see that as an issue. It's irrelevant if every airline is better than Qantas but without status I sit down the back on every flight, no lounge access, standard luggage allowance etc. There's nothing good about that experience and in my opinion those airlines are not better than Qantas.

The issue is that for most us, you must have (high) status with Qantas to enjoy a level of service that's standard on other airlines. With the exception maybe of seat blocking (shadows) - everyone is pretty much treated equally on Singapore Airlines or Cathay or JAL, KE, OZ, TG... and the list goes on. It doesn't really matter if you sit in the second cabin on SQ, they crew are just as superb from the first to the very last passenger.

 

[Pushka]

I usually look for non Qantas flights anyway, which out of Adelaide isn’t all that hard. Flying 747 to SFO next May via Sydney because going via Middle East isn’t a great idea for that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm really starting to dislike the use of phrases by some posters like "fanbois" or "QF cultists" and the like as it's a form of bullying in my view.

It's just a way to help put comments in context. For the true 'QF fans' absolutely nothing will be considered a negative... to the extent of justifying the QF A330s flying around with angled beds.