Qantas slashing jobs and possibly selling FF program?

[trippin_the_rift]

I'd love to have a $800m+ loss and not lose my job.

I'm in the wrong business!

 

[moa999]

Should expand use of AY and try codesharing with MH - starting with services into India.

MH was also tried - both with RedQ and codeshares - remember who sponsored MH into oneworld.
Whilst HEL is a great airport it still means two stopping from Australia, and AY has nowhere near the connections of EK

Reality is QF's best partner would be SQ for connections both to Europe as well as Asia, as well as capturing the natural business traffic to SIN, but I think hell might freeze over first

 

[Deleted member]

I'd love to have a $800m+ loss and not lose my job.

I'm in the wrong business!

Maybe you should run for PM then (LOL)

 

[codash1099]

BA refused to continue the codeshares ex BKK, SIN and HK. You may recall that originally, when the EK tie-up was announced, QF announced that the BA codeshares would continue. Then BA pulled the rug.

Do you blame them? A long term agreement unceremoniously dumped to chase a mirage?

 

[haggiscat]

Re: Qantas to cut 1,000 Jobs.

I disagree that Alan Joyce is not stupid.

I don't know whether it's his thick accent or his thick features but he looks like a dunce to me, and having the airline's shares downgraded to junk hardly seems a stellar endorsement of his business acumen.

Get lost back to Ryanair.

 

[haggiscat]

Alan Joyce spat in BA's collective face, in no small measure due to his probable culturally-ingrained hatred of the English.

 

[haggiscat]

I think he prefers brown......

He looks like he wears one to bed, they are horrible and Ryanair cheap. Just like the truffle popcorn.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Re: Qantas to cut 1,000 Jobs.

I disagree that Alan Joyce is not stupid.

I don't know whether it's his thick accent or his thick features but he looks like a dunce to me, and having the airline's shares downgraded to junk hardly seems a stellar endorsement of his business acumen.

Get lost back to Ryanair.

He never worked for Ryanair

Perhaps a bit of research before openly calling for someone to be dumped from their job?

If facial features are the defining characteristics of humans, I want to know where is my wife Miranda Kerr!! I'll reluctantly settle for Anne Hathaway. LOL

 

[Fruitcake]

Re: Qantas to cut 1,000 Jobs.

I disagree that Alan Joyce is not stupid.

I don't know whether it's his thick accent or his thick features but he looks like a dunce to me, and having the airline's shares downgraded to junk hardly seems a stellar endorsement of his business acumen.

Get lost back to Ryanair.

Logic is probably unwelcome here but phrenology has been discredited, the shares are not rated junk, and Mr Joyce has not worked for Ryanair.

 

[Ansett]

Re: Qantas to cut 1,000 Jobs.

Logic is probably unwelcome here but phrenology has been discredited, the shares not rated junk, and Mr Joyce has not worked for Ryanair.

Straight from Wikipedia

Joyce worked at Aer Lingus, the flag carrier of Ireland for eight years, where he held a wide spectrum of positions in Sales, Marketing, Information Technology, Network Planning, Operations Research, Revenue Management and Fleet Planning.[SUP][3][/SUP] In 1996 he left Aer Lingus to join the now-defunct Ansett Australia.[SUP][4][/SUP]
Then in 2000 he joined Qantas.[SUP][5][/SUP] At both Ansett Australia and Qantas, Joyce headed the Network Planning, Schedules Planning and Network Strategy functions.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Joyce was appointed CEO of Qantas subsidiary Jetstar Airways in October 2003.[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP]
Joyce became CEO of Qantas on 28 November 2008. He is a former Director of Orangestar Investment Holdings Pte Limited (holding company of Singapore-based Jetstar Asia Airways and Valuair) and Jetstar Pacific Airlines Aviation Joint Stock Company (in Vietnam).[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] On 29 October 2011, as a result of continuing industrial unrest following the announcement of job losses and structural changes at Qantas, Joyce grounded the entire Qantas mainline fleet.[SUP][7][/SUP]
The Australian newspaper named Joyce the most influential business leader in 2011.[SUP][8][/SUP] Yet a poll following his controversial 2011 grounding of the Qantas fleet showed the action has increased negative public perception of the airline.[SUP][9][/SUP] In 2011 Joyce's remuneration was increased 71 per cent from $2.92 million in 2009-10 to $5.01 million and he was granted 1.7 million Qantas shares under a long-term incentive plan.[SUP][10][/SUP] Joyce's reported comments that this salary was 'conservative' were attacked by the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA)[SUP][11][/SUP]

 

[Pushka]

"Joyce came to Australia a decade ago after rejecting the safe option of a job at Ryan Air in Ireland for the chance to work overseas for Ansett. He moved to Sydney-based Qantas before Ansett collapsed in September 2001, then became chief executive of Qantas' new discount subsidiary in 2003."

 

[Flashback]

"Joyce came to Australia a decade ago after rejecting the safe option of a job at Ryan Air in Ireland for the chance to work overseas for Ansett. He moved to Sydney-based Qantas before Ansett collapsed in September 2001, then became chief executive of Qantas' new discount subsidiary in 2003."

So first he makes Ansett collapse.. then Qantas

Who will be next!? :mrgreen:

 

[sydstar]

If the QSA were to be amdended, and taking EK out of the equation, IAG could be interested (although, taking their financial position into account, this would appear unlikely)

 

[samh004]

Straight from Wikipedia

In 2011 Joyce's remuneration was increased 71 per cent from $2.92 million in 2009-10 to $5.01 million and he was granted 1.7 million Qantas shares under a long-term incentive plan.

While the shares wont be worthless, they certainly wont be worth what they once were.

Alan Joyce spat in BA's collective face, in no small measure due to his probable culturally-ingrained hatred of the English.

I once knew someone like that, but don't think that's his game at all. As far as I heard, BA, and to a greater extent IAG were the cause of tensions. They seem to think OneWorld is OneBA, and that they don't have to offer anything to anyone else. Changing a lounge from "Terraces" to "Galleries" to stop access by a load of Australian customers probably doesn't make that airline feel very welcome!

 

[Isochronous]

MH was also tried - both with RedQ and codeshares - remember who sponsored MH into oneworld.
Whilst HEL is a great airport it still means two stopping from Australia, and AY has nowhere near the connections of EK

Reality is QF's best partner would be SQ for connections both to Europe as well as Asia, as well as capturing the natural business traffic to SIN, but I think hell might freeze over first

So MH is unwilling to do any codesharing at all, anywhere?

I don't mean ditching EK and using AY as the Europe partner, what I mean is promoting AY for those who want an Asia-Europe option, and in particular, those who want to travel to Russia/Scandinavia/Eastern Europe for which it is a great option.

 

[timster]

BA refused to continue the codeshares ex BKK, SIN and HK. You may recall that originally, when the EK tie-up was announced, QF announced that the BA codeshares would continue. Then BA pulled the rug.

Interesting. I assume you mean ex-QF codeshares on BA flights BKK-LHR, SIN-LHR, HKG-LHR. The source on this ?

BTW, BA maintains code shares on QF on legs from Asia to AUS.

 

[elbarto]

If the QSA were to be amdended, and taking EK out of the equation, IAG could be interested (although, taking their financial position into account, this would appear unlikely)

BA used to own 25% of Qantas.

 

[jetlagger]

I think he prefers brown......

What a drab colour.. Much like AJ's persona.
Richard Branson would be a more suited option..
Positive, confident, excellent rapport with employees & customers.
Certainly - a much more genuine smile.

 

[Isochronous]

Interesting. I assume you mean ex-QF codeshares on BA flights BKK-LHR, SIN-LHR, HKG-LHR. The source on this ?

BTW, BA maintains code shares on QF on legs from Asia to AUS.

Under the BA JSA, QF was useless for Europe because nobody wanted to route via LHR and have two stops that involved backtracking. That is why the EK partnership was created. Which prompts the question: if the BA JSA simply continued, would the losses have been worse? Recall earlier comments from AJ that sales to Europe under the partnership were far stronger than sales under the BA JSA.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Recall earlier comments from AJ that sales to Europe under the partnership were far stronger than sales under the BA JSA.

Except that QF now only gets the pax between SYD/MEL-DXB, unless the pax is going to LHR. EK picks up the rest. In the past, QF gets basically all AU-SIN/BKK/HKG-LHR. So in terms of time speng on QF (and I would assume revenue would be somewhat related to that?), QF would need tons more pax doing the EK route just to receive as much revenue as it used to.