Qantas - Sorry But I Am Over You

[Toad]

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As I see it this thread started about flying (or not flying) with Qantas and how Qantas management is now putting their social agenda ideas out there to the world. I cannot see anywhere that there are homophobic views being presented but in any case everyone is entitled to an opinion. Whether you or anyone else agrees is entirely up to the individual. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Well said...........................

 

[get me outta here]

Doubly unsubscribing from this thread.

 

[DC3]

Doubly unsubscribing from this thread.

I have already unsubscribed a few days ago, but came back to have a quick look. Wasn’t worth it. Won’t be checking again.

Edit: Now need to unsubscribe again

 

[dajop]

You have a point but I still don't think it's relevant to this forum and I'd like to be able to just read about airline and travel stuff without having to scroll past people's (defence of their) bigotry on the way.

With that in mind, it could be argued that many of the posts here belong in the playground rather than "open discussion". Although I ignore thousands of threads of AFF, it is is quite easy to do. I guess if the title of the thread was "QANTAS - SORRY BUT I AM OVER YOU [DUE TO CEO SOCIAL COMMENTARY]" then it would be easier to ignore if you were not interested, the current title could be for any reason (current coughpy customer care line, excessive surcharges, poor award availability, downgrading J class pax, whatever).

 

[JohnK]

This thread is offensive and needs to be shut down. I can't believe it has been allowed to go this far. This a forum for discussing airlines and travel. It is not a forum for allowing homophobic people to air their views.

Is that right? I think it's been a very good debate from both sides of the fence.

P.S. Every one is entitled to an opinion and just because you don't agree with that opinion does not make the opinion wrong or bigoted.

P.P.S. Please tell me what wine has to do with travel to deserve a separate forum?

 

[Lendav Orav]

I don't want to have a protracted debate (as I don't think this is the place for it) so I'll leave it here. But to clarify what I mean: using language that assumes others are heterosexual or their parents are heterosexual is discriminatory. A man calling a woman love or darling is sexist. An organisation asking staff to use inclusive language is just that: inclusive. Assuming that sexual and gender diversity doesn't exist and using language that reflects that assumption is bigoted. I don't believe discussion of (defence of) bigotry has a place in this forum. It is not the same as discussing wine or cars. I'm not aware of how to flag a forum as inappropriate but thank you for pointing it out.

 

[Pushka]

I don't want to have a protracted debate (as I don't think this is the place for it) so I'll leave it here. But to clarify what I mean: using language that assumes others are heterosexual or their parents are heterosexual is discriminatory. A man calling a woman love or darling is sexist. .

Sorry but the bolded statement calls for a debate. I cannot believe you think that. My (homosexual) Canadian friends call each other that as well as myself and my husband. It’s a statement of affection. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Denali]

Sorry but the bolded statement calls for a debate. I cannot believe you think that. My (homosexual) Canadian friends call each other that as well as myself and my husband. It’s a statement of affection. Nothing more. Nothing less.

My butcher tried the Love and Darling with me, I told him that its not OK and dont call me that, he respected it and we've had years of happy patronage since. Yes he was a bit confronted by it but really, those days are thankfully dying.

 

[Pushka]

My butcher tried the Love and Darling with me, I told him that its not OK and dont call me that, he respected it and we've had years of happy patronage since. Yes he was a bit confronted by it but really, those days are thankfully dying.

I understand it’s situational. You don’t need your butcher to love you.

 

[JohnK]

Sorry but the bolded statement calls for a debate. I cannot believe you think that. My (homosexual) Canadian friends call each other that as well as myself and my husband. It’s a statement of affection. Nothing more. Nothing less.

There's no need for a debate. I don't need anyone to dictate to me what words I use in my relationship. In fact I don't anyone to dictate to me how to refer to my loved ones in public either.

Let's leave it a that.

 

[Steady]

My butcher tried the Love and Darling with me, I told him that its not OK and dont call me that, he respected it and we've had years of happy patronage since. Yes he was a bit confronted by it but really, those days are thankfully dying.

I think that is exactly how it (most interactions) should be. I’m not happy those days are dying.
I’m of the opinion that Denali’s butcher didn’t call her love or darling to offend her, it was just normal for her/him, but as it did offend, Denali let her/him know and she/he referred to Denali in a way that didn’t from then on, I highly doubt Denali was scared for life from initially being referred to as love or darling - all good (imo). I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with this, I don’t really understand why anyone would and I don’t think we should move away from this model. Equally if someone is offended by the gender nuteral references they should be treated with the same respect the butcher showed Denali - shouldn’t they?

Making rules that prevent this, (we are only discussing guidelines at the moment as I understand it) and only allowing staff to use scripted words is a big step backwards imo. (Not suggesting this has happened, but when it does)

This is my opinion- I’m sure it is different to many others - each to their own. I didn’t post it to debate, just to state (does this make me a troll?)

Off topic but I do wonder how much longer I will be allowed to post a photo of a pizza with meat on it, or a meal with a steak on the plate or a fish I caught, or of a Church, or a temple, or of an oven fueled by wood and destroying the planet..... (best not mention harvesting (killing) and butchering my own meat instead of pretending no animals are harmed in the making of my dinner)

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think that is exactly how it (most interactions) should be. I’m not happy those days are dying.
I’m of the opinion that Denali’s butcher didn’t call her love or darling to offend her, it was just normal for her/him, but as it did offend, Denali let her/him know and she/he referred to Denali in a way that didn’t from then on, I highly doubt Denali was scared for life from initially being referred to as love or darling - all good (imo). I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with this, I don’t really understand why anyone would and I don’t think we should move away from this model. Equally if someone is offended by the gender nuteral references they should be treated with the same respect the butcher showed Denali - shouldn’t they?

Making rules that prevent this, (we are only discussing guidelines at the moment as I understand it) and only allowing staff to use scripted words is a big step backwards imo. (Not suggesting this has happened, but when it does)

The scripted guidelines may be useful because companies (such as airlines, government departments etc) are dealing with huge numbers of people. There isn't time to discuss personal preferences. And it's just as easy to use inclusive language as not.

Pet names like 'love' and 'darl' might be quaint and perfectly acceptable in social or family situations... but is it equally so when a man might be addressed as 'sir' while a woman is called 'love'? In Australia maybe we might use the word 'mate' and in America it might be 'buddy'. But those terms aren't necessarily equally applied to women, who might get the 'love' or 'darl' in Australia or 'hon' in the states. I dunno - to me 'mate' = equal terms while 'love' might not imply the same? (Again, it's situational, and the social/friends environment is different to a professional or service environment.

 

[mannej]

I don't want to have a protracted debate (as I don't think this is the place for it) so I'll leave it here. But to clarify what I mean: using language that assumes others are heterosexual or their parents are heterosexual is discriminatory. A man calling a woman love or darling is sexist. An organisation asking staff to use inclusive language is just that: inclusive. Assuming that sexual and gender diversity doesn't exist and using language that reflects that assumption is bigoted. I don't believe discussion of (defence of) bigotry has a place in this forum. It is not the same as discussing wine or cars. I'm not aware of how to flag a forum as inappropriate but thank you for pointing it out.

I have a co-worker who uses love or darl when she addresses me in the workplace. Is that sexist?

 

[straitman]

(Mod hat). Let us return to the topic please people.

(You may find a few OT posts disappear at some stage going forward.). (Mod hat off)

 

[juddles]

(Mod hat). Let us return to the topic please people.

(You may find a few OT posts disappear at some stage going forward.). (Mod hat off)

Just so I can be sure, what is the actual OP's original topic?

 

[Happy Trails]

A couple of definitions to ponder on:

o·pin·ion
əˈpinyən/
noun

1. a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun

1. intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

 

[serfty]

Just so I can be sure, what is the actual OP's original topic?

Here's the Original Post:

Qantas, it's not me, it's you.

I am just fed up with political commentary from the CEO and being told what I should think and when to think it.
I used to be so proud of being Australian and flying on the Flying Kangaroo. Not anymore.

Is it just me?

Here's the first response of any note:

Joyce hasn't told anyone to say anything. Staff have been asked to use language that is respectful to everyone. ...

 

[serfty]

A couple of definitions to ponder on: ...

So, what we have here is:

intolerance toward those who hold [a] different ... view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge, from oneself.

 

[Happy Trails]

So, what we have here is:

Err, possibly, but it's a little late and I'm a bit 'tired and emotional' just now and that's making my brain hurt.

P.S. I think this thread could use a few smileys.

 

[serfty]

Err, possibly, but it's a little late and I'm a bit 'tired and emotional' just now and that's making my brain hurt.

P.S. I think this thread could use a few smileys.

YWIMC ...