Qatar denied extra capacity into Australia

[pauly7]

Hopefully Vanessa will be able to get along better with the other Oneworld CEOs.

Oh I’m sure in 72 hours everyone will be tearing strips off her as well.

 

[Quickstatus]

other Oneworld CEO

That would be assuming that the other OW CEOs are easy to get along with and are eager to promote OW as a brand over their own airline

 

[Lynda2475]

That would be assuming that the other OW CEOs are easy to get along with and are eager to promote OW as a brand over their own airline

And also wiling to deal with a female CEO despite their cultural bias.

 

[Saab34]

Qatar is not really asking for much, if you take into account the fact that they would most certainly replace a new bilateral with the regional DOH-MEL-ADL leg, they are only essentially adding two flights.

Qatar adding two flights, vs a few years ago Etihad up to 5 flights a day, BNE x1, PER, x1, SYD x1/2, MEL x1.

Two QR extra flights is not going to sink QF.

 

[Tiki]

To me this whole issue makes QF look like cowards who are afraid to compete with QR. There are people who dislike QR and people who dislike QF for whatever reasons. Fine, make your choice and fly with who you want to based on prices, award availability, service or whatever. The whole point is that having more choices is a GOOD thing. No one is forcing anyone to fly on any particular airline.

 

[Saab34]

It is very strange, considering QF barely even operates into Europe, 2 flights a day, and 1 flight seasonally.

Qatar connect Doha with how many destinations? It is what people actually want, they want connectivity and network, not 2 flights a day into Heathrow, with a sub standard product.

 

[Himeno]

Qatar is not really asking for much, if you take into account the fact that they would most certainly replace a new bilateral with the regional DOH-MEL-ADL leg, they are only essentially adding two flights.

Qatar adding two flights, vs a few years ago Etihad up to 5 flights a day, BNE x1, PER, x1, SYD x1/2, MEL x1.

Two QR extra flights is not going to sink QF.

It is silly to compare flights to Australia by EK and EY to flights by QR. The UAE has a different air service agreement with Australia. They were negotiated on different terms and were given different capacity caps for different reasons. UAE airlines are allowed 154 weekly flights to the 4 major AU ports, +21 to/via another port.

There are reasonable alternatives to the capped ports that QR could operate to today. Perhaps QR could show they are serious about their claimed desire to increase service to Australia by operating to those ports. They can always move those extra flights to the major port should they get extra capacity later.

 

[Must...Fly!]

To me this whole issue makes QF look like cowards who are afraid to compete with QR.

There's ample evidence this has been true for years. See QFF earning tables.

 

[justinbrett]

QT today:

PM was asked if he had a conversation with the CEO of VA, or any senior executive, regarding the Qatar decision BEFORE the decision was made.

PM gave a one word answer - "Yes"

A follow up question, but about the CEO of QF or any senior executive.

PM gave a one word answer - "No".

 

[Pushka]

QT today:

PM was asked if he had a conversation with the CEO of VA, or any senior executive, regarding the Qatar decision BEFORE the decision was made.

PM gave a one word answer - "Yes"

A follow up question, but about the CEO of QF or any senior executive.

PM gave a one word answer - "No".

Except this from abc,

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Albanese won't entertain questions on Qantas​

22m ago​

Bert Van Manen asks Anthony Albanese if he had conversations with Alan Joyce or any other Qantas senior executive before making the Qatar Airways decision, and if yes, what dates they took place.
The PM delivers another very brief response by simply saying "no".

Earlier, when asked whether he spoke with Alan Joyce before the Qatar Airways decision was made, he said "I can confirm I met Alan Joyce."


So, which is it?

 

[justinbrett]

Except this from abc,

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Albanese won't entertain questions on Qantas​

22m ago22 minutes ago​

Bert Van Manen asks Anthony Albanese if he had conversations with Alan Joyce or any other Qantas senior executive before making the Qatar Airways decision, and if yes, what dates they took place.
The PM delivers another very brief response by simply saying "no".

Earlier, when asked whether he spoke with Alan Joyce before the Qatar Airways decision was made, he said "I can confirm I met Alan Joyce."

He said “I can confirm I have met Alan Joyce”. Hansard will be released shortly to clarify, but it was obvious that the PM was answering the question “have you ever had a conversation with the CEO of QF” (not specifically about QR) I’m not sure if he misheard the question or the question was poorly worded, but it was clear that’s how he answered it.

I remember thinking “that was a very open ended question” when it was asked, but I don’t recall the specific words.

 

[Pushka]

He said “I can confirm I have met Alan Joyce”. Hansard will be released shortly to clarify, but it was obvious that the PM was answering the question “have you ever had a conversation with the CEO of QF” (not specifically about QR) I’m not sure if he misheard the question or the question was poorly worded, but it was clear that’s how he answered it.

I remember thinking “that was a very open ended question” when it was asked, but I don’t recall the specific words.

So at what point in time do you disregard seeing someone prior to a decision being made?

 

[justinbrett]

So at what point in time do you disregard seeing someone prior to a decision being made?

Well the question he answered no to said have you met him regarding the Qatar application before the decision was made.

That’s a clear cut question.

 

[dajop]

I haven’t followed closely, but has any of the media asked what the relevant unions position on this is? Whilst everyone is speculating that QF has an undue influence over the government we all know that unions do have a strong influence over the government.

 

[jakeseven7]

I haven’t followed closely, but has any of the media asked what the relevant unions position on this is? Whilst everyone is speculating that QF has an undue influence over the government we all know that unions do have a strong influence over the government.

Hahah *looks the other way*. Didn’t you know only Qantas lobbies

 

[RooFlyer]

I haven’t followed closely, but has any of the media asked what the relevant unions position on this is? Whilst everyone is speculating that QF has an undue influence over the government we all know that unions do have a strong influence over the government.

Unions have said clearly that increased flights into Australia by QR (and others) would mean more work for their members. Which is obvious to just about everyone except AJ and his mates. As to what influence Unions may have had on the Federal Government decision - try to figure out what has gone on in this decision, and when you do, we'll know!

 

[justinbrett]

I haven’t followed closely, but has any of the media asked what the relevant unions position on this is? Whilst everyone is speculating that QF has an undue influence over the government we all know that unions do have a strong influence over the government.

Transport Workers Union Secretary walked the tightrope today, happy to slag Qantas off but refused to criticise the government or call for a reversal of the Qatar decision - instead calling for an independent decision maker.

(when asked if the government should review the Qatar decision):

Kaine: "I don't pretend to understand the complexities of aviation decisions, it's not, literally not something I understand."
Host: Do you need to?
Kaine: "Maybe I do but I think what is more important is the community has confidence that there is a decision maker that stands apart from all of the interests in aviation that can make independent decisions in the community interest."

 

[MooTime]

Transport Workers Union Secretary walked the tightrope today, happy to slag Qantas off but refused to criticise the government or call for a reversal of the Qatar decision - instead calling for an independent decision maker.

(when asked if the government should review the Qatar decision):

Kaine: "I don't pretend to understand the complexities of aviation decisions, it's not, literally not something I understand."
Host: Do you need to?
Kaine: "Maybe I do but I think what is more important is the community has confidence that there is a decision maker that stands apart from all of the interests in aviation that can make independent decisions in the community interest."

That's a very poor, pathetic political answer.

Rather embarrassing really.

even said draw a line under the sand.........I was sure it was in the sand.

 

[justinbrett]

even said draw a line under the sand.........I was sure it was in the sand.

I didn't notice that - lol!

I don't agree that treaties should be deferred to an independent agency - what's the point of having a government if it outsources all of its decisions. It's their job to balance all the interests to make a decision.

We already have ISAC which is an independent authority to divvy up the slots once the treaties are made.

 

[JessicaTam]

There is now to be a senate inquiry into the decision. I don’t think this is going to go away in a hurry.