QF to Europe returns to the Kangaroo Route (via SIN)

[cove]

With QF having nothing for us out of Perth our family has had a dozen international flights in a year with SQ and others.
We have been shareholders of QAN since the first day of ASX listing

 

[justinbrett]

And you know that how? Or just your own speculation. I suspect they just didn't want to put the larger upgraded planes to route through here to Singapore and the EK alliance gave them the easy option.

International tourism from Adelaide was up over 11% the year before the decision and at the time was the fastest growing capital in Australia. Yet Qantas kept reducing seat availability (flights) from Adelaide for the period prior so clearly it was a strategy on their part.

Glossing over you discounting my post based on it being speculation, and then going on to give me your own speculation...

I was working in the industry in Darwin and know they couldn't get enough pax on the ADL-DRW-SIN flight, QF blamed the DRW stopover (which was fair enough).
It was operated by A330s both via DRW and direct - so they were already operating the bigger aircraft (yes it was B767 earlier but they transitioned to A330 even when it was flying via DRW).

As for the reason the direct flight was cancelled, yes the EK deal was the trigger to walk away - but without the SIN-LHR leg this service would have even fewer PAX. If there was strong demand from ADL this wouldn't have been a 3x weekly service to begin with. I mean, QF didn't see fit to give BNE a BNE-DXB flight on QF metal, but it did maintain BNE-SIN.

 

[Pleb Status]

I notice that some members have not learnt anything from the whole QF9/10 rerouting via PER episode.

When PER and ADL were stripped of every single QFi service, those 'over east' were very happy to quote 'market forces' and the like to justify the savage cuts that did not affect them.

However, when QF made some 'adjustments' to a flight servicing MEL (it was still a one stop direct service but missing F) they were then crying 'sovereign risk' and the end of the airline in MEL.

Now MEL have effectively got their QF9/10 service back (but via SIN), those 'over east' are now back on the 'market forces' bandwagon again to justify the continuing cut to QFi services outside SYD/MEL.

For some of us, maybe the only reason QF has not been renamed 'Sydney Aerial Services' is that the abbreviation 'SAS' is used by another airline....

 

[Pushka]

Glossing over you discounting my post based on it being speculation, and then going on to give me your own speculation...

I was working in the industry in Darwin and know they couldn't get enough pax on the ADL-DRW-SIN flight, QF blamed the DRW stopover (which was fair enough).
It was operated by A330s both via DRW and direct - so they were already operating the bigger aircraft (yes it was B767 earlier but they transitioned to A330 even when it was flying via DRW).

As for the reason the direct flight was cancelled, yes the EK deal was the trigger to walk away - but without the SIN-LHR leg this service would have even fewer PAX. If there was strong demand from ADL this wouldn't have been a 3x weekly service to begin with. I mean, QF didn't see fit to give BNE a BNE-DXB flight on QF metal, but it did maintain BNE-SIN.

My statistics were based on evidence from the Tourism body and airport passenger statistics. Not speculation. I never flew Singapore via Darwin but direct from Adelaide. I don't even know why you are using Darwin in your discussion because it's not relevant. It was the direct International flights that were axed. I'd avoid Darwin too. Where are your statistics/evidence ? Otherwise it is speculation.

 

[love_the_life]

I agree and we did look at shifting to Virgin. Which would mean SQ and AirNZ partnerships. But for business their times suck. Particularly coming back to Adelaide.

And this is my point. ADL had the service and the locals didn't use it - so don't cry that Qantas is neglecting Adelaide.

But if you read the post, Pushka just said that other airlines didn't work for business travel so they have stayed with QF. No evidence that that locals didn't use QF IMO.

 

[k_sheep]

I personally find it quietly amusing that a group whose motto is "why fly direct when you can connect" complain when there aren't direct services from their city. Yes I'm aware not everyone wants multiple legs, but made me chuckle.

Personally I quite like transiting through MEL when going overseas (not SYD though because of the stupid transit between terminals - whereas in MEL you just walk). I've actually rarely used BNEi terminal except for jumps to NZ / Fiji.

Anyway, I love SIN. The DBX option is still there. Loving this change.

 

[whatmeworry]

I notice that some members have not learnt anything from the whole QF9/10 rerouting via PER episode.

When PER and ADL were stripped of every single QFi service, those 'over east' were very happy to quote 'market forces' and the like to justify the savage cuts that did not affect them.

However, when QF made some 'adjustments' to a flight servicing MEL (it was still a one stop direct service but missing F) they were then crying 'sovereign risk' and the end of the airline in MEL.

Now MEL have effectively got their QF9/10 service back (but via SIN), those 'over east' are now back on the 'market forces' bandwagon again to justify the continuing cut to QFi services outside SYD/MEL.

For some of us, maybe the only reason QF has not been renamed 'Sydney Aerial Services' is that the abbreviation 'SAS' is used by another airline....

What happens if WA secedes?

 

[mviy]

I personally find it quietly amusing that a group whose motto is "why fly direct when you can connect" complain when there aren't direct services from their city. Yes I'm aware not everyone wants multiple legs, but made me chuckle.

One would connect to help get your desired status level if that'll make the difference but after that it's best to fly direct. Some people fly enough to never need/want to make unnecessary connections.

 

[Pushka]

I personally find it quietly amusing that a group whose motto is "why fly direct when you can connect" complain when there aren't direct services from their city. Yes I'm aware not everyone wants multiple legs, but made me chuckle.

Personally I quite like transiting through MEL when going overseas (not SYD though because of the stupid transit between terminals - whereas in MEL you just walk). I've actually rarely used BNEi terminal except for jumps to NZ / Fiji.

Anyway, I love SIN. The DBX option is still there. Loving this change.

Horses for courses. We try fly direct when going on holidays. We don't fly direct when trying to do status runs. Simples.

Luckily for us we can access F lounges. Helps the pain.

 

[TomVexille]

I personally find it quietly amusing that a group whose motto is "why fly direct when you can connect" complain when there aren't direct services from their city. Yes I'm aware not everyone wants multiple legs, but made me chuckle.

I know. Been through SYD far too many times this year. But also hit WP for the first time because of that.

 

[tm.smile]

BRITE stats consistently show that ME3 flights from ADL and PER have consistently far lower loads than those from the east coast. This is despite also having large networks to feed passengers onto flights into those cities.

Qantas really isn't going to put planes onto routes where they aren't going to make money because some people want them flying there. They only have a certain number of planes and need to put them onto routes that make the most money (which is working pretty well for them right now).

When it looked like the MEL-LHR service was going to be completely replaced by the new 787 service via PER, it didn't make sense because it was such a significant downgrade. Now it makes more sense because the new PER-LHR service not only complements the new service via SIN, it also opens up a new flight for PER and connection for ADL pax.

 

[JohnM]

BRITE stats consistently show that ME3 flights from ADL and PER are consistently far lower than those from the east coast. This is despite also having large networks to feed passengers onto flights into those cities.

Qantas really isn't going to put planes onto routes where they are going to make money because some people want them flying there. They only have a certain number of planes and need to put them onto routes that make the most money (which is working pretty well for them right now).

When it looked like the MEL-LHR service was going to be completely replaced by the new 787 service via PER, it didn't make sense because it was such a significant downgrade. Now it makes more sense because the new PER-LHR service not only complements the new service via SIN, it also opens up a new flight for PER and connection for ADL pax.

I think that the folks at QF are a lot cleverer than people often give them credit for.

 

[Happy Trails]

What happens if WA secedes?

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[TheRealTMA]

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Wouldn't it be WAANTAS?

 

[Isochronous]

Hopefully they build a proper F lounge in SIN now!

 

[drron]

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Very clever.Covers all who feel left out-WA,NT,TAS and a backwards SA.:shock:

 

[kermatu]

Very clever.Covers all who feel left out-WA,NT,TAS and a backwards SA.:shock:

Don't forget us in the ACT!

 

[JohnK]

I think this is good news and moreso for those travelling economy to SE Asia. There are now more options but need to see how the connections work to/from other airports in SE Asia.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Hopefully they build a proper F lounge in SIN now!

.....err.......where??

 

[BacchusMarsh]

.....err.......where??

Did you mean to quote this?

Don't forget us in the ACT!