QF's Asia announcement

[Kaldemir]

Garuda is providing another gate to Europe for those who dont want to go EK, just another option.

EK has left a very sour taste in my mouth from my SIN-DXB-JFK vv over Christmas and New Year and very reluctant to fly them again.

CX is OW, but with the lack of competition and a monopoly of the route, pricing will only go in one direction.

We arent all Hicks in Perth!

Good reason for the ACCC to reject the QF-EK tie up. It obviously won't provide what it claims to do.

 

[coyote25]

ACCC won't reject because of what another airline not related to the tie up does (even if CX is in the alliance QF doesnt earn from then on non QF codes).

QF can pull flights from anywhere regardless of tie up. They have been slowly killing Perth and Adelaide anyway.

Now if QF pulled out of a place to give their proposed partner airline (the one subject to the approval) an ability to increase prices because of no comp that would be a big issue. I understand that is what the Trans Tasman issue is all about.

It sucks what they are doing in SA and WA but I don't see that killing the deal. Now if Emirates starts to match the QF prices on the routes that QF are pulling out of ie big increases that would be a problem.

At some point the huge differences in prices on code shares to direct book must be an issue for these airlines. QF is effectively telling people not to book QF codes when they price themselves 40% more expensive for the exact same service. Will they try to get Emirates to increase their price? That would be a major lose for customers and an ACCC issue (if the drop prices no issue).

QF has a lot of work to do to get the pricing down to reasonable levels or they will kill themselves on international routes more than they already are.

 

[Kaldemir]

ACCC won't reject because of what another airline not related to the tie up does (even if CX is in the alliance QF doesnt earn from then on non QF codes).

QF can pull flights from anywhere regardless of tie up. They have been slowly killing Perth and Adelaide anyway.

Now if QF pulled out of a place to give their proposed partner airline (the one subject to the approval) an ability to increase prices because of no comp that would be a big issue. I understand that is what the Trans Tasman issue is all about.

It sucks what they are doing in SA and WA but I don't see that killing the deal. Now if Emirates starts to match the QF prices on the routes that QF are pulling out of ie big increases that would be a problem.

At some point the huge differences in prices on code shares to direct book must be an issue for these airlines. QF is effectively telling people not to book QF codes when they price themselves 40% more expensive for the exact same service. Will they try to get Emirates to increase their price? That would be a major lose for customers and an ACCC issue (if the drop prices no issue).

QF has a lot of work to do to get the pricing down to reasonable levels or they will kill themselves on international routes more than they already are.

Well QF was providing flights to Europe out of Perth and Adelaide (via Asia), they're leaving flights to Europe out of ADL and PER to Emirates.

Part of their application was claiming better connections to Asia, cancelled flights don't equate to better connections in my book.

QF used to fly to FRA via SIN from SYD, they're pulling out of FRA and leaving SYD to FRA to EK.

I think that price difference is there to prevent any price fixing charges prior to the ACCC approval - which I hope will never come.. It's sad to see QF is turning into Virgin

 

[JohnK]

I hope this never comes true, the main reason why I choose to fly QF is because I like flying on a QF plane and experience the QF service, I don't mind codeshares for connecting flights but only when my QFF benefits are recognised (ie. Oneworld airline).

I also love flying on Qantas aircraft. When I am overseas it feels like I am coming home regardless of the service.

If there were no QF planes and everything was codeshare, i'd just go and find another airline that does fly its own planes to the destinations I want and move to their FF program.

I have tried the other airlines in both economy and business class and there is a reason I keep coming back to Qantas.

It would be a sad day indeed, hope it never happens!

It is rapidly heading that way. It would appear current management has given up running an airline....

 

[jetlagger]

I also love flying on Qantas aircraft. When I am overseas it feels like I am coming home regardless of the service.


I have tried the other airlines in both economy and business class and there is a reason I keep coming back to Qantas.

....

With iconic statements such as these... I'm going to nominate you to feature on the next Qantas advertisement

 

[mannej]

I am scratching my head. By your profile you live in Perth. Now Perth still has QF to Singapore, EK and QF code share to Europe via DXB but you have lost QF to Hong Kong.

In which case why is Garuda going to react, and what are they reacting to, and isn't Cathay OneWorld?

1 QF flight a day - woop de [expletive] do.

HKG strategically was a good route not just for EU, but Japan and the US.

So much for better connections or access to Asia.

 

[jetlagger]

I also love flying on Qantas aircraft. When I am overseas it feels like I am coming home regardless of the service.


I have tried the other airlines in both economy and business class and there is a reason I keep coming back to Qantas.


...

With iconic statements such as these..
I'm going to nominate you to personally feature on the next Qantas advertisement

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I have tried the other airlines in both economy and business class and there is a reason I keep coming back to Qantas.

errr... what would that reason be??? QF is not that good is it?

 

[TheInsider]

It's amazing the whinging and whatever. If the flights made money and people travelled on them originally, QF wouldn't have pulled out. Simple.

 

[mannej]

It's amazing the whinging and whatever. If the flights made money and people travelled on them originally, QF wouldn't have pulled out. Simple.

It is funny the comments from those not affected. You just had to look at the timings of flights to see the lack of respect shown, especially considering that there must be money to be made out of PER with how many airlines increasing flights to and from PER.

Sorry but it's pretty poor by the Roo in all honesty

 

[JohnK]

Try as I might, I am struggling to spot the difference!

"Qantas Group" is the key. No need to mention it in the article.

 

[Captain Paul]

My fellow Australians,
The treatment by QANTAS to PER is disgraceful. Bali, Johannesburg, Bangkok, Jakarta, Tokyo and now Hong Kong dumped along with PER-SIN scaled back to once a day. QANTAS have told me I should now fly south of Adelaide via SYD to HKG. That is like asking people in Sydney to travel to Beijing or Hong Kong via PER!

CX must be laughing all the way to the bank!

QANTAS needs a new CEO, this time from the West, capable of still taking it up to the unions but respectful to the 2.5million people in WA.

Two questions.
1. Is there any analysis by anyone on the merits of joining CX Asia Miles over QF?
2. Would QANTAS want to fly to Perth - LHR direct, no stopover? Now there's a convenient Aussie hop for ADL SYD and MEL people!
Regards
Captain Paul

 

[mannej]

My fellow Australians,
The treatment by QANTAS to PER is disgraceful. Bali, Johannesburg, Bangkok, Jakarta, Tokyo and now Hong Kong dumped along with PER-SIN scaled back to once a day. QANTAS have told me I should now fly south of Adelaide via SYD to HKG. That is like asking people in Sydney to travel to Beijing or Hong Kong via PER!

CX must be laughing all the way to the bank!

QANTAS needs a new CEO, this time from the West, capable of still taking it up to the unions but respectful to the 2.5million people in WA.

Two questions.
1. Is there any analysis by anyone on the merits of joining CX Asia Miles over QF?
2. Would QANTAS want to fly to Perth - LHR direct, no stopover? Now there's a convenient Aussie hop for ADL SYD and MEL people!
Regards
Captain Paul

With the current aircraft - a direct service to LHR is a mere pipedream. The other stumbling block is the shambolic transfer between the domestic and international airport at PER.

As for Asia Miles, isn't it harder to attain status compared to QF?

 

[atreides]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if this latest QF decision really rubs you up the wrong way, you could still make a submission to the ACCC regarding the QF EK alliance as an interested party?

 

[Must...Fly!]

Downgrade to a daily rotation to SIN from PER does nor surprise or particularly annoy me in any way, but the removal of HKG does rile me up a bit, especially as the QF FAQ tells us to fly via SYD or MEL - which I would happily do (you know why ) - except it costs upward of double the previous direct flights. Not to mention I am in the CLEAR minority when it comes to choosing to go the long way.

I am more disturbed by possible future implications. Best scenario is this is a long term union beating tactic, with routes to be investigated and revived once the appropriate planes arrive. The worst in my opinion isn't even more JQ, it's the complete absorption of the Qantas brand under an Emirates umbrella.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Still no word what QF are going to do with my DRW-SIN-FRA return ... the prospect of either spending significant time in a 10 abreast EK 773 or heading down to SYD/MEL/PER is rather unappealing.

SQ will put you on to SilkAir for DRW-SIN. There's about a 4 hour layover outbound, and 3 hours for inbound. The 77W operates the SIN-FRA sector, so it's definitely an upgrade from the QF/JQ option.

 

[ajw373]

At some point the huge differences in prices on code shares to direct book must be an issue for these airlines. QF is effectively telling people not to book QF codes when they price themselves 40% more expensive for the exact same service. Will they try to get Emirates to increase their price? That would be a major lose for customers and an ACCC issue (if the drop prices no issue).

Where is the evidence of this 40% price difference? I have been looking at flights to London and if I book on the Qantas website I can get the tickets for around $1800 which includes either QF1/2, QF9/10 or a multitude of Emirates aircraft with QF flight number, then if I go to the Emirates website the cost for the exact same flights with EK flight numbers is around $2100.

 

[Pushka]

It's amazing the whinging and whatever. If the flights made money and people travelled on them originally, QF wouldn't have pulled out. Simple.

Obviously you've never travelled on the Adelaide Singapore service then. Their decision has nothing to do with bottoms on seats.

The price differentials on each site occur with business class flights and in my case costed from Adelaide.

 

[markis10]

Where is the evidence of this 40% price difference? I have been looking at flights to London and if I book on the Qantas website I can get the tickets for around $1800 which includes either QF1/2, QF9/10 or a multitude of Emirates aircraft with QF flight number, then if I go to the Emirates website the cost for the exact same flights with EK flight numbers is around $2100.

The truth is out there.......

I have just done a comparison for a flight I will need to take in July in J from MEL to GLA using both websites but the same flights. The shortest connection on QF to DXB then EK to GLA was 30 hours but the connection on the way back was only 22 hours - the best. The QF website showed A$15900 return for a changeable J ticket (some cheaper options available on some dates) while the EK website for the same itinerary was A$7766!!


If travelling only on EK metal and using the direct EK MEL-DXB at 2230 for a 24 hour journey to GLA and then a similar flight time home, the EK fare was the same but this time QF needed as much as A$19,000 for the same itinerary on certain days. EK does have two levels of J fares against QF three so this is may not be the best or only comparison but it looks bad.


Certainly no collusion there but those QF SCs must be very valuable. I am a loyal Australian but not that loyal. Surely the fares must be the same or very similar or QF will never compete.


BTW - don't you just love it when you open the QF website and it assumes you are starting your journey from SYD by pre-populating that field in the booking engine?

Until the arrangement is approved then I would not be in a hurry to be booking flights, there are going to be bedding down issues.

 

[11sjw]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if this latest QF decision really rubs you up the wrong way, you could still make a submission to the ACCC regarding the QF EK alliance as an interested party?

Has anyone got a link to do this?