QF's Asia announcement

[ajw373]

The truth is out there.......

My flights to Europe were coming up as $13000 until I found the trick to getting the right price. I am also curiours with the quoted price above, the poster says same itinerary, but were they they same flights?

 

[markis10]

My flights to Europe were coming up as $13000 until I found the trick to getting the right price. I am also curiours with the quoted price above, the poster says same itinerary, but were they they same flights?

The post reads same flights????

 

[ajw373]

The post reads same flights????

The posters words say same itinerary, that doesn't actually mean the exact same flights, that's why I asked. In my case I was flying the same itinerary too, just different flights, if BA was involved it was $13,000 if just Qantas or EK metal than $1800. But when I just looked at QF and EK on the exact same aircraft the higher price was Emirates.

So based on one example where it was 40% more, I could just as easily make the counter claim (and be just as right) that Qantas is 16% cheaper than EK.

 

[JohnK]

errr... what would that reason be??? QF is not that good is it?

Maybe they are not that good but my opinion takes into consideration many factors.

- The opportunity to earn status which then helps tremendously for my 60+ domestic flights a year
- Ability to sit in a bulkhead economy seat on 747's and A380's on 90%+ of my international flights (and I actually like 747's and A380's in economy not A330's, 777's, A340's)
- I know they will look after me if things go wrong
- Almost ubeatable prices ex-SIN, ex-HKG with the ability to choose domestic connections
- Make my own connections in SE Asia utilising cheap business class airfares on Oneworld carriers (yes I do love flying)
- A decent FF program with the opportunity to accumulate FF points for round the world travel (I hope they are still around so I can enjoy using my points to book Oneworld awards)
- Access to First class lounges without needing to fly on a First Class ticket
- I actually feel like I am coming home when I see a Qantas aircraft

And probably the most important reason which allows each of the above to happen is I paid ~AUD780 for next SIN-SYD return via BNE and MEL on a 747 and I will earn ~17,000 QFF points which to me are worth ~AUD425 which means I have paid ~AUD355 for a SIN-SYD return. Any LCC to SE Asia is at least double that amount when you factor in golf clubs, choosing seat and meals.

So yes they may not be perfect but there is not another airline that can match the above....

 

[markis10]

The posters words say same itinerary, that doesn't actually mean the exact same flights, that's why I asked. In my case I was flying the same itinerary too, just different flights, if BA was involved it was $13,000 if just Qantas or EK metal than $1800. But when I just looked at QF and EK on the exact same aircraft the higher price was Emirates.

So based on one example where it was 40% more, I could just as easily make the counter claim (and be just as right) that Qantas is 16% cheaper than EK.

Ahhh, not sure what your reading but as stated, same flights!

I have just done a comparison for a flight I will need to take in July in J from MEL to GLA using both websites but the same flights.

 

[ajw373]

Ahhh, not sure what your reading but as stated, same flights!

Didn't see that hence why I asked.

In anycase as I said I have an example where the exact same flights were 16% more expensive booking through Emrirates compared to Qantas. Neither the 40% example, not my example mean anyone can make broad speaking statements, such as the one made above. Sure on one flight they may well be more expensive, but by the same token, as indicated by my exmaple on another flight Emirates is 16% more expensive. Fact is prices will vary from flight to flight.

 

[markis10]

Didn't see that hence why I asked.

In anycase as I said I have an example where the exact same flights were 16% more expensive booking through Emrirates compared to Qantas. Neither the 40% example, not my example mean anyone can make broad speaking statements, such as the one made above. Sure on one flight they may well be more expensive, but by the same token, as indicated by my exmaple on another flight Emirates is 16% more expensive. Fact is prices will vary from flight to flight.

If you read the post again you will see the OP has posted about it occurring across the board re flights and dates, not just one flight. There is also other reports from different members:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ram/qf-vs-ek-europe-4-a-47284.html#post757235

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/qantas-frequent-flyer-program/qf-vs-ek-europe-4-a-47284.html#post757265

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....m/qf-vs-ek-europe-4-a-47284-2.html#post757294

There have also been reports of no difference, where is smoke there is usually fire, in this case I suspect the smoke is from a pre-production model still being revised that cannot be relied on as an indicator for future expectations. I would not be doing any booking at present unless you see a fare you like and dont expect points etc.

 

[ajw373]

There have also been reports of no difference, where is smoke there is usually fire, in this case I suspect the smoke is from a pre-production model still being revised that cannot be relied on as an indicator for future expectations. I would not be doing any booking at present unless you see a fare you like and dont expect points etc.

Exactly there have been reports of no difference, reports of Qantas being cheaper, reports of Emirates being cheaper etc. It doesn't mean a broad sattement that Qantas is 40% dearer is a true statement, as mentioned it, like all fares they vary from day to day, flight to flight. Situation normal actually.

PS The last line above is a tad melodramatic. As mentioned the flights that I plan to book are cheaper on Qantas and have Qantas flight numbers, so in my case I am getting a better price AND points. In reality the advice should be look at Qantas, look at Emirates, look elsewhere and book what ever you reckon is the best deal in your own circumstances. Everyone will be different. Though in my case it is a win-win, good price and points, but by the same token a PIA that to get from LHR to BKK I need to fly via DXB rather than direct on BA which would cost $11000 extra.

 

[markis10]

PS The last line above is a tad melodramatic.

After 15 years as either SG or WP QFF I have learned to lower your expectations then you wont be disappointed, that way the surprises are the good ones that affect you!

 

[The Rok]

I can't find any scenario in a 3 month date range travelling from PER-DUB where the QF flights are not almost $4,000 dearer than EK!

If it pans out that way long term I'll not be paying QF for any International flights and will jump ship to EK.

 

[ajw373]

I can't find any scenario in a 3 month date range travelling from PER-DUB where the QF flights are not almost $4,000 dearer than EK!

If it pans out that way long term I'll not be paying QF for any International flights and will jump ship to EK.

How about out Sunday 7th April back Friday 12th April. Economy through Qantas.com cheapest is $1678 on flyEmirates.com $1882. Or are we just talking business class?

Anyway unless I am mistaken isn't the grand plan to offer JSA pricing, but at present the interium agreement only allows for schedule co-ordination and code shares but not common pricing.

 

[The Rok]

I was looking at J fares, I won't travel Int Y!

$7,770 on EK v $11,440 on QF!

And I was looking aug/sep/oct!

 

[JohnPhelan]

My flights to Europe were coming up as $13000 until I found the trick to getting the right price. I am also curiours with the quoted price above, the poster says same itinerary, but were they they same flights?

And what is the trick to getting the lower price ??

 

[TheEmu]

With iconic statements such as these... I'm going to nominate you to feature on the next Qantas advertisement

Good idea - while you've got him working, get him to do a new Safety demo video as well!

 

[ajw373]

And what is the trick to getting the lower price ??

My routing was CBR-LHR-BKK-CBR. If you are going from LHR to BKK using the Qantas website you need to make sure you put in the route as LHR-DXB-BKK as seperate cities in the multicity booking tool. If you do LHR-BKK the only flight Qantas.com shows is the BA codeshare flight at $11000+ cost, put in DXB as a via destination and you get a shed load of options.

 

[dajop]

Yet another change by Qantas, yet another thread full of concerns (aka "whinges") about QF. I don't understand - QFi are not the lifeline to the western half (or for that matter the eastern half) of Australia. Yet people still stick with Qantas and express dismay when they change things (well folks, this sort of thing has been happening for 6 or 7 years now, you'd think there's a lesson to be learnt). I guess with FCL's , everyday rewards, direct sweep credit cards and Neil Perry inspired/Mark Newson designed press releases, people feel locked into QF. But there are plenty of other options out there, aligned with QF, aligned with VA, or not aligned with either.

As far as ADL goes - QF pulling 3 services a week from ADL, is a bit like IGA closing a supermarket in the same suburb that has a Coles and two Woolworths, with prospects of Aldi opening very soon.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Obviously you've never travelled on the Adelaide Singapore service then. Their decision has nothing to do with bottoms on seats.

A couple of years ago, I was on QF82 in Y, and I had the middle 4 seats to myself - aka economy flat bed. It was a similar deal in J, although it's obviously not possible to combine the 2 seats as such. Many others did as well.

A month ago, I was looking for last minute flights SIN-SYD, and QF82 had 9 for all business class classes. It might've been a school holidays thing, but judging from my very limited sample, it wasn't doing very well at all (while SQ fills up pretty much the whole plane all the time).

On the other hand, I've noticed that, from about the middle of April, SIN-SYD in Y+ have BA charging about a 20% discount to QF. Still not worth the money, in my opinion. All codeshares on that route have also been removed.

 

[Pushka]

Like I said before, Qantas is a business and makes business decisions but then don't purport to represent themselves as being the airline for Australians and can the slogan "you're the reason we fly" as it all sounds a bit fake.

 

[Anna]

As far as ADL goes - QF pulling 3 services a week from ADL, is a bit like IGA closing a supermarket in the same suburb that has a Coles and two Woolworths, with prospects of Aldi opening very soon.

Only if IGA simultaneously announced that they were improving your Adelaide supermarket choices because they were opening new supermarkets in Sydney and Melbourne, that close in the mornings before you can even get there from Adelaide.

 

[jetlagger]

Yet another change by Qantas, yet another thread full of concerns (aka "whinges") about QF. I don't understand - QFi are not the lifeline to the western half (or for that matter the eastern half) of Australia. Yet people still stick with Qantas and express dismay when they change things (well folks, this sort of thing has been happening for 6 or 7 years now, you'd think there's a lesson to be learnt). I guess with FCL's , everyday rewards, direct sweep credit cards and Neil Perry inspired/Mark Newson designed press releases, people feel locked into QF. But there are plenty of other options out there, aligned with QF, aligned with VA, or not aligned with either.

As far as ADL goes - QF pulling 3 services a week from ADL, is a bit like IGA closing a supermarket in the same suburb that has a Coles and two Woolworths, with prospects of Aldi opening very soon.

It seems, we are: 'creatures of habit"