QF's Asia announcement

[Pushka]

Is there a dislike function on these boards?

 

[markis10]

You must operate in different circles to me. Where I work we prefer to be able to get to a location such as Singapore at a decent hour, get a decent dinner to help adjust the body clock followed by a decent night sleep and then go to work refreshed the next day. An early departure is not that important as even with a 5pm departure half the day, and in some cases the whole day is already wasted, then you get to Singapore at stupid o'clock, have little sleep and then try to do a day of quality work.

The 10-11am SQ service is always pack, so many must think the same.

Not sure where you are hitting the 10-11 service from, SQ has one at 9 but put the bigger birds on for the PM services ex Sydney, in Melbourne again the bigger birds operate the PM service.

 

[ajw373]

Not sure where you are hitting the 10-11 service from, SQ has one at 9 but put the bigger birds on for the PM services ex Sydney, in Melbourne again the bigger birds operate the PM service.

I was going off memory, I didn't have the exact times. But yes there is one at 9 and one around 12, plus afternoon departures, thats for sure (ex Sydney I am talking). I have flown the midday flight (the one I thought was around 11am) and it has always been packed. I have no doubt the latter flights are also packed, but of course they are the ones that connect to Europe which would have an impact.

So standby my statement that IMO getting to Asia earlier is better, getting to Europe latter is better.

 

[eastwest101]

Is there a dislike function on these boards? 

Yes but a very roundabout sort of one - you have to click "like" a post first, and then you have the option of "un-liking" it after that - leaving you nowhere I guess.

A bit like how the ADL and PER loyal QF customers feel now!

 

[m535607]

Does anyone know what the QF SYD - HKG timings will be during daylight saving for travel in Nov 2013. I have the winter timings for Apr - Sept but I am not sure if they have updated their website timetable. When I do a search for a flight in Nov 2013 SYD- HKG it says it departs SYD at 1120am

 

[jetlagger]

Does anyone know what the QF SYD - HKG timings will be during daylight saving for travel in Nov 2013.

Will QFi still be around by then?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Does anyone know what the QF SYD - HKG timings will be during daylight saving for travel in Nov 2013. I have the winter timings for Apr - Sept but I am not sure if they have updated their website timetable. When I do a search for a flight in Nov 2013 SYD- HKG it says it departs SYD at 1120am

in non-daylight savings times it is at 0955. So it doesn't quite seem to add up that its could be 1120 in daylight saving time? Maybe they will reschedule to 1020 or 1055?

 

[kohdeb]

I have been moved from J booking on QF81 ADL-SIN in September to ADL-SYD-SIN flying QF5 on the SYD-SIN leg, does anyone know if QF5 is likely to be a reconfigured 747?

 

[Danger]

Would be interesting to have the airline which uses a foreign airline's lounge in its home country!

QF is now #11 in the list of airlines by the number of international seats out of PER.
SQ, EK, CX, MH, GA, NZ, JQ, QZ, TG and D7 all have more seats.
Even QR and SA have only slightly fewer seats.

Why bother with a city thats showing almost 10% growth in passengers?? . . .

Not necessarily, how much growth is coming from travellers now able to travel direct rather than connect via Sydney, thus inflating Sydney numbers, South Australia gets close to 700000 international visitors a year, factor in the locals and thats a lot of connection traffic.

To put things in perspective, a published TAM (total available market) on international travellers from SA and WA (4187034 pax) is serviced by one flight a day soon with a red roo, so if Qantas fill that plane they have achieved a market segment share of 3%?

Now who was it lamenting recently that Qantas carried so few a number of passengers ex Australia?

October stats for traffic at WA and SA: . . .

Could you please provide references for this info. I'm trying to put something together.

 

[Fantic125]

<redacted>
Apart from that, thankfully I fly enough to maintain *A Gold, so depending on destinations they'll most probably pick up more flights from me.

40 more SC's and I'll re-qualify for VA Gold, so they may get a nudge too.....

 

[JohnPhelan]

End result was two full service carriers and maybe 1 or 2 domestic LCCs all competing in this market - which is a win for all the people at OOL. Heck - even they can fly direct to Singapore although it is on Scoot!

Problem solved, then - get Scoot to fly to ADL!!

 

[TheEmu]

. . . oops I forgot, emus can’t fly . . . oh well.

Oi! I resemble that remark!
Well, actually, I mostly take the train…
Welcome, comfort travel, way to kick off!

 

[awilcockson]

What Qantas have done here is pretty much indefensible and even the most ardent one eyed Qantas mouthpieces would have trouble defending such a move, hence the lack of posts in the positive. Their silence is golden.

Your soapbox is getting awfully worn out. You are retelling history, and the spin is making me dizzy. You only have to look at the Any Time Access removal thread to see that the people you claim are Qantas "mouthpieces" (I've got a feeling I'd fit into your definition) were some of the most outspoken against this and other "enhancement".

 

[browski]

You must operate in different circles to me. Where I work we prefer to be able to get to a location such as Singapore at a decent hour, get a decent dinner to help adjust the body clock followed by a decent night sleep and then go to work refreshed the next day. An early departure is not that important as even with a 5pm departure half the day, and in some cases the whole day is already wasted, then you get to Singapore at stupid o'clock, have little sleep and then try to do a day of quality work.

The 10-11am SQ service is always pack, so many must think the same.

Here are 3 points not yet noted on the thread.

1. From MEL, I occasionally would route MEL-PER-SIN. With the new timings from PER that would not be possible.
2. The new MEL-SIN and MEL-HKG timings are to my liking with a 9.05am-3.55pm service and 9.35am - 5.10pm service respectively. Dinner, Bed, Work the next morning.
In particular I think this slot also allows new connections with partners to destinations like:
JET Airways 7.05pm flight to BOM
3K 7.35pm flights to KUL; 3K 8.30pm flight to coughet; 6.30pm to Bali and 6.50pm to CGK
CX 9.30pm flight to CMB (which you could do before, but it was tight)
Qatar Airways 9.20pm to Doha

However there are host of NON-Partner airlines that the new timings will allow a connection like:
Bangkok Airways 8.35pm to Koh Samui
Air India 9.05pm to Chennai
China Southern 5.45pm to Guangzhou
Silk Air 5.45pm to Chengdu


3. .................I'm sure EK would love to run SIN-PER/ADL services....................

 

[moa999]

browski,
I agree that for SYD / MEL residents the changes are positive.
- Lots more connections if flying on from SIN or HKG, even if on the compeition
- Arrive at a time where you can still go out for a proper evening meal ( always helps with jetlag)

It does however make it difficult for Adelaide, Wollongong, Newcastle or other regional residents who either face a 6am flight to make their connections into SYD and MEL and then limited lounge time.

 

[JohnK]

<History Lesson>
While the concept was not new, the term 'codeshare' was created by Qantas and American Airlines, and they were the first two airlines to 'codeshare' to any great extent.

My reference was not about the term codeshare but rather the lack of support for the Asian market shown by Virgin and now Qantas.

Australia with 22 million people is not a big market. Asia is a huge market and the solution is not pull out of routes, hand them to Jetstar and setup codeshares with any airline that is interested.

There were people on AFF who were saying that Qantas International could potentially be an airline without any aircraft and just sell codeshare flights and make money that way. Sad if that is indeed the way Qantas evolves.

 

[JohnK]

I am surprised that no one seems to have picked up the subtle(!) differences in wording between the ASX announcement and the QF media release.In the media release suggesting new 787 services it states Qantas Group 787s.Basically I assume that these new ports therefore mean new JQ services.
Again the cynic in me worries that by looking at HND as a new service does that mean QFi services to NRT will be replaced by JQ into HND?
Looking a lot like the beginning of the end for QFi.

I picked it up and posted earlier.

Sad to see so many services go but I like the look of the new schedules into Asia. Sure it would be nice to have a daytime flight back into Australia but that is not a deal breaker. New schedules mean I can get to most destinations same day without need for stopover.

But as always I am sceptical about things and I do not like the use of the words "new destinations', 787's and "Qantas Group". No point adding new destinations if that poor excuse for a poorly run airline that pretends to be an airline gets to service them....

I have mixed feelings about the changes.

 

[ajw373]

My reference was not about the term codeshare but rather the lack of support for the Asian market shown by Virgin and now Qantas.

Australia with 22 million people is not a big market. Asia is a huge market and the solution is not pull out of routes, hand them to Jetstar and setup codeshares with any airline that is interested.

There were people on AFF who were saying that Qantas International could potentially be an airline without any aircraft and just sell codeshare flights and make money that way. Sad if that is indeed the way Qantas evolves.

Indeed that is correct and is one of the reasons Qantas wanted to set-up their own full service airline in Asia, to get that traffic and then feed onto Qantas services to Australia. Sure some routes may well be prime for point to point services from Australia, though you will find that if they choose Sydney or Melbourne as the destination in Australia (bearing in mind many of these point to pointers probably could only sustain one flight to Aus, not multiple) their would be howls from Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide about being robbed and forgotten, and if you choose any of those cities as the point in Australia to serve people would continue to fly Singapore and Thai as they would be on a domestic product across Australia to fly Qantas. As I keep saying it wouldn't matter what Qantas did they just could not win.

 

[Fantic125]

It does however make it difficult for Adelaide, Wollongong, Newcastle or other regional residents who either face a 6am flight to make their connections into SYD and MEL and then limited lounge time.

Or rather than risk missing the connection due to delayed arrival of the 06:00 flight (due to fog, congestion, etc) are put in the position of leaving home the previous day and overnighting in SYD or MEL....

 

[cmon0005]

There were people on AFF who were saying that Qantas International could potentially be an airline without any aircraft and just sell codeshare flights and make money that way. Sad if that is indeed the way Qantas evolves.

I hope this never comes true, the main reason why I choose to fly QF is because I like flying on a QF plane and experience the QF service, I don't mind codeshares for connecting flights but only when my QFF benefits are recognised (ie. Oneworld airline).

If there were no QF planes and everything was codeshare, i'd just go and find another airline that does fly its own planes to the destinations I want and move to their FF program.

It would be a sad day indeed, hope it never happens!