Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lounge

[maninblack]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

So you are saying the rumour didn't come true?
How can we take rumours seriously from now on?!

Touche. And I have had the 'rumour' confirmed as correct by QF staff several times over the years, but not by F lounge employees :!:

 

[boomy]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Touche. And I have had the 'rumour' confirmed as true by QF staff several times over the years, but not by F lounge employees :!:

Ok, that explains everything, I feel better now

 

[samh004]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Slightly OT but excuse me for out loud. That has been the rumour every year since about 2007 but it's still clunking old 767.

I'm not sure if Qantas announced similar in 2007? But they definitely announced it a few months ago, which should be different to a simple rumour.

 

[dfcatch]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

As a general comment, I still don't understand why some people are so anti JQ. It serves a purpose and if the price is right, I will consider it. Always had ok to good service on board.

In answer to your general comment - whilst I can't speak for everyone - but those on here whom I do know (and I) share a main objection....

And that is simply the issue of choice or lack thereof.

We object to being "forced" onto JQ, or having QF routes actively ceded to JQ.

The question I put to QF is simply "what incentive is there for a QFF to fly JQ when QF isn't available?"

The answer is (paraphrased) "none - bad luck".

Which is a perfectly acceptable answer by QF, which will of course influence an individual's value decisions when choosing between JQ and VA (as well as any consequential FF behavioral gain by VA).

I see you are based in SYD - so I don't expect you to understand this issue at all.

You're lucky - you have the benefit of choice - you have both QF and JQ available on most routes and you can choose whichever carrier you like based on your own value decisions for a particular flight.

I have no issue with JQ (in general) - my main problem is with QF's selective use of them and the poor implementation of the 2-brand strategy.

 

[dfcatch]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

You are a newbie so you would have missed the withdrawal of Anytime access to lounges a couple of years ago and the negativity shown by many on AFF.

I really miss Anytime access. Not that I used it that much but it was a benefit I felt was useful as I spend a lot of my hard earned money on Qantas and sometimes they are too expensive for me or don't service a route I want and it was nice to be able to use the lounge in those times.

Anyway in these types of situations I am reminded of "First they came...."

JohnK - I know and respect you greatly - but I have to pull you up.

You've just spent several posts criticizing others for what they may perceive as a legitimate benefit which may be taken away.

Then you lament the loss of ATA (which you happened to greatly value) and you quote "First they came"..!!..??

Perhaps the irony of this is lost on you - but another quote comes to mind right now....

"Pot....Kettle..."


PS. I'm actually on your side of both arguments. I'm just pulling you up for a bad choice of post/critical argument in prosecuting your point

 

[Austman]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I mean restrict all spa treatments in general to a certain group. eg TG F lounge in BKK - only F pax can get a treatment (booked on the day AFAIK). Same with BA Elemis spa - have to be flying J/F or BA Gold flying longhaul.
Elemis | Travel Spas

I understood that. But if that's all it is then it's not a very big deal. Unless you are in F (or CL?) then your chances to use the spa are limited even today.

But I can't see, if this really is the change, that it could save QF much money.

 

[dfcatch]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

As someone who has used the F lounge on said JQd flights recently let me state my official view on the matter:

- Lounge access rules are QF's to determine. They are welcome to change them as they see fit - and to wear the consequences (positive&negative) as they eventuate.

- I couldn't care less if this change were to happen, in fact I would support dropping all F lounge access for JQ flights. (Even maybe ALL lounge access for ALL JQ flights).

- I have had very few JQd F lounge visits. The clear majority of my F lounge visits have been on international QF flights (A significant number of which have been in F, with another large percentage in J).

- I would also be happy to see CL anytime access to the F lounge removed.

- Guesting above the published entitlement has always been at the discretion of the Lounge Manager and any expectation of such (or blatant rorting of) excessive guest entitlements isn't on IMHO.

- In the meantime - the published rules are the published rules and I'm happy for anyone to utilize and abide by them. This applies to CL, OWE, WP/WP1, QF/JQ or otherwise.

 

[samh004]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

I have a feeling that this photo will be used in QF's internal communications to show the reason for the change.

If it was it'd be good to note that's a P1, and that's a glass per person, not just for 2.

 

[Claire Lee]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Great comments regarding the Chairman Lounge being dropped. I have been overlooked numerous times for this special card due to "others" in management who are deemed by our overall group manager to be more important to Qantas than the bum in seats flyers. In the last 3-4 years, the majority of our company (that are in my vision) who are Chairmans lounge invitees are not budget controllers, fly possibly 1/10th of what I do and frequently in a lower cabin especially if too stupid to negotiate a business class policy on employment and in most cases wouldn't achieve Gold status if left to their own devices.

The whole Chairmans Lounge thing is a farce in my opinion and the day Qantas starts to recognise their true frequent flyers and give the recognition deserved will be the day I eat my Tummi satchel.

Anyway, what were we talking about?

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Anyway, what were we talking about?

Well thanks to your additional post we are discussing another rumour. This thread will likely kick on for months to come and thousands of posts. It's great fun isn't it?

 

[JohnK]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Does that mean you could lie and they wouldn't question it, so long as you know your boarding time?

Choose a flight from the board when you enter the lounge.

Which gives me a thought for my next visit.

 

[zachary.august]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

It seems here (I'm guilty of it as well) that we're all too happy to advocate for and support the revocation of other's benefits but not our own. Human nature. IMHO I think that ATA should be a P1 benefit and with the whole anti-CL sentiment about ATA etc. I can tell you that of the maybe 50 CL members I know, not a single one would have a clue about ATA. They're either flying F on QF anyway, on a private jet or on F on another airline departing from another pier and therefore can't be stuffed.

I think that inherently, on a pure cost basis the cost - benefits for a JQ passenger flying on a cheap Y fare to DPS after having achieved WP through DSC promotions is more expensive for QF RE: the F Lounge than a CL controlling a multi-million dollar account who flies in high cabins mostly on QF.

 

[JohnK]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Priceless:mrgreen::shock:

So much for friends on AFF!

Agree

I'd even start flying Virgin again!!

To access their First lounges? Or their superior business product?

 

[dfcatch]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

It seems here (I'm guilty of it as well) that we're all too happy to advocate for and support the revocation of other's benefits but not our own. Human nature. IMHO I think that ATA should be a P1 benefit and with the whole anti-CL sentiment about ATA etc. I can tell you that of the maybe 50 CL members I know, not a single one would have a clue about ATA. They're either flying F on QF anyway, on a private jet or on F on another airline departing from another pier and therefore can't be stuffed.

I think that inherently, on a pure cost basis the cost - benefits for a JQ passenger flying on a cheap Y fare to DPS after having achieved WP through DSC promotions is more expensive for QF RE: the F Lounge than a CL controlling a multi-million dollar account who flies in high cabins mostly on QF.

Said CL 'flying in high cabins mostly on QF' - wouldn't need ATA. They would already have access by virtue of flying QF or another OW airline. And if not loyal enough to at least be flying OW - then they will have access to the F lounge of the other airline.

They don't need ATA!

 

[maninblack]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

But they definitely announced it a few months ago

That sounds like good news. Where did they announce it?

 

[Claire Lee]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

zac august - I have been seated looking at a senior manager from SYD to Newman (Hope Downs) listening to him moan and groan that the service at executive jets wasn't up to par and the catering on the plane was substandard - all this while in a $120K charter.... I wanted to kick him in the bits just to check him into reality.

 

[amaroo]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

LOL restricting lounge access to F only Ethiopian Airlines probably offer more F seats than QF.....is it April Fool's day already?

 

[JohnK]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

PS. I'm actually on your side of both arguments. I'm just pulling you up for a bad choice of post/critical argument in prosecuting your point

Perhaps I am wrong that I am being critical but....

The point I was trying to make is the Anytime Access thread got out of hand as there were a lot of posters who were quite vocal about their glee with removal of Anytime access. I would say the split was rougly 50%/50%.

Now we are discussing removing access to First lounge for Jetstar customers and everyone has to disagree with the possibility? I feel sorry for those genuinely using the lounge in their travels but I am sorry I have no sympathy if Qantas Platinums lost acsess and we do not see Anytime Access wake threads, QF81/QF82 wake threads where people go out of their way to get in the face of Qantas. I know you organised one of these last week and it was probably a lot of fun but I think there was way too much exposure on AFF.

I know people do not agree with me in that respect but we cannot agree on everything. Hoping to debate it with you further on Thursday.

 

[dfcatch]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Perhaps I am wrong that I am being critical but....

The point I was trying to make is in the Anytime Access thread got out of hand as there were a lot of posters who were quite vocal about their glee with removal of Anytime access. I would say the split was rougly 50%/50%.

Now we are discussing removing access to First lounge for Jetstar customers and everyone has to disagree with the possibility? I feel sorry for those genuinely using the lounge in their travels but I am sorry I have no sympathy if Qantas Platinums lost acsess and we do not see Anytime Access wake threads, QF81/QF82 wake threads where people go out of their way to get in the face of Qantas.

I know people do not agree with me in that respect but we cannot agree on everything. Hoping to debate it with you further on Thursday.

Thursday? What's happening Thursday?

Oh! I'm guessing I'll be seeing you in BNE

I guess quite simply is that I'm agreeing with you...

Anytime access had people who valued it - and people who gleefully agreed with its removal.

Same here.

All I'm saying is it's hypocritical to be one of the losers in the anytime access thread, and then come on here and be one of the gloaters.

My view is that whatever the "enhancement" I always respect those who consider that they have lost out on a benefit that they found value in.

 

[Hvr]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

<snip>
I know people do not agree with me in that respect but we cannot agree on everything. Hoping to debate it with you further on Thursday.

Thursday? What's happening Thursday?

<snip>

Or maybe John will be in MEL? http://www.australianfrequentflyer....dinner-drinks-thu-7-a-54902-3.html#post926519